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Re: EXTERNAL: Who else is using SVN for large-binary-asset storage?

From: Karl Fogel <kfogel_at_opentechstrategies.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:31:13 -0500

On 24 Apr 2020, Marlow, Andrew wrote:
>Hello everyone,
>The answer is "yes". I have come across investment banks that store
>boost releases in subversion. Sometimes it's a full boost release and
>that can be quite large. They take a long time to checkout but at the
>time it seemed better than the alternatives available at the time,
>e.g. placing the artifacts on an SFTP site or Windows share (ugh).

Ah -- very interesting, and not at all surprising! We've also enountered that kind of usage at similar institutions, from talking to our clients.

If you're comfortable doing so, please feel free to introduce me privately to whoever you think would be the right people at those investment banks. I'll try to gather interest as efficiently as possible, and if we have enough interest we can make something happen. I think those conversations have to at least start in private, since many of those institutions are leery about sharing *any* operational details, so I'd start from an "assume confidentiality until explicitly told otherwise" basis.

In case users@ masks my email address: it's kfogel {_AT_} opentechstrategies.com.

Best regards,

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Karl Fogel <kfogel_at_opentechstrategies.com>
>Sent: 24 April 2020 17:40
>To: Subversion Users <users_at_subversion.apache.org>
>Subject: EXTERNAL: Who else is using SVN for large-binary-asset storage?
>Are there other companies out there using SVN for large-binary-blob storage?
>I'm wondering if it might be possible to put together a mini-consortium of companies to fund the completion of Issue #525:
> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fissues.apache.org%2Fjira%2Fbrowse%2FSVN-525&amp;data=02%7C01%7CAndrew.Marlow%40fisglobal.com%7C6729a1c6e8434e58ae4b08d7e86e7f0d%7Ce3ff91d834c84b15a0b418910a6ac575%7C0%7C0%7C637233433584704974&amp;sdata=WDAoL3RF5rOb0nx7Ig1wFIZkrisKSw%2BgKC1nGZ2GaPM%3D&amp;reserved=0
> "allow working copies without text-base/"
>Our company keeps medium-large (say, ~5GB) binary blobs under version
>control in a dedicated Subversion repository, and it works quite well.
>Subversion can handle files of that size just fine, and it enables us
>to do path-based authorization (yay) and partial-tree checkouts. [1]
>But the presence of text-base files in .svn/pristine/ is a real downer :-). The text-base files are mostly pointless in this case, and they double the client-side disk space usage.
>There is no useful diff between two revisions of these binary blobs:
>there's no human-readable diff *and* there's rarely any
>machine-useable diff either (e.g., for reducing network time when
>receiving an update or committing a new revision). So the only
>benefit from the text-base files is to make 'svn revert' faster. We'd
>be happy to have 'svn revert' re-fetch the file from the repository if
>it meant we could reduce our storage cost on the client side by half.
>(Plus you'd only lose local-revert capability on files where you know
>you don't need it, since presumably the no-text-base behavior would be
>optional per file and controlled via an 'svn:no-pristine' property or
>something like that.)
>Is anyone else in a similar situation? If we join forces, we could
>probably fund one or more Subversion developers to finally get Issue
>#525 done. I'd be happy to do the organizing (I'm still reasonably
>familiar with Subversion development and who does what, though I
>haven't been an active developer in the project in many years).
>Please CC me on any replies, as I'm not subscribed to users@.
>Best regards,
>[1] We investigated using Git too, but, though Git good for many
>things, it is not well-suited for this particular job. The Git
>Large-File Storage extension
>doesn't address most of our needs either; it's solving a different
>problem, I guess.
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