Re: Subversion/Eclipse Performance on Windows

The big problem with Windows is the anti-virus software which checks
each and every file copied onto the system from the network.

There is no alternative to Exchange clients except Microsoft clients.
Our office has IMAP open which means I can use Thunderbird or even
Apple's Mail client. (I too have a Mac at home. It is a six year old
Mac Mini and it runs Eclipse faster than my Windows machine even
though it is running over the corporate VPN). Most corporations
wouldn't allow such access. Plus, this doesn't take care of the
corporate calendars under Exchange.

I use Google's Calendar Sync to sync my Outlook calendar to a Google
Calendar. However, I need to keep Outlook as my default mail
application and I found I have to keep it open at all times.
Otherwise, the Google Sync process will have to open it.

I'm trying to convince the Tech Service people to drop Exchange in
favor of Google Apps. No such luck.

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Bob Archer <Bob.Archer_at_amsi.com> wrote:
> This thread is drifting a bit off topic. But, I guess that happens.
>
> I actually bought a personal Mac to use at home to learn a new way of
> doing things. I never disliked Windows as much as I do now. But, it pays
> the bills. The Mac is so much faster and stable. Svn flies on it.
>
> I'm surprised, is there no Linux mail client that will connect to an
> exchange server? I know that you could run Open Office and deal with the
> MS Office documents.
>
> BOb
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Weintraub [mailto:qazwart_at_gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:45 PM
>> To: Bob Archer
>> Cc: Mark Phippard; Toby Thain; Hilco Wijbenga;
> users_at_subversion.tigris.org
>> Subject: Re: Subversion/Eclipse Performance on Windows
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Bob Archer <Bob.Archer_at_amsi.com>
> wrote:
>> > Great idea if you can do it. "Unfortunately" a few of us develop for
>> > ASP.Net using Visual Studio... which last I checked doesn't run on
>> > Linux. Oh well, maybe the VS 2010 will have a native Linux version.
> ;)
>> >
>>
>> I left a Windows shop to get away from the Microsoft development
>> world. I feel for you guys. We were doing .NET development. What a
>> mess.
>>
>> I doubt that my company would abandon Exchange and Microsoft Office
>> because the corporate people all use it. However, one smart guy
>> reformatted his disk, downloaded Fedora and virtual box, and then
>> loaded up Windows as a VM.
>>
>> Now, he has access to the corporate desktop via Windows, yet he spends
>> most of his days in the Linux world. He has no performance issues with
>> his PC.
>>
>> I'm thinking of doing the same, and then encouraging all the other
>> developers to do the same.
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Bob Archer <Bob.Archer_at_amsi.com>
> wrote:
>> > Great idea if you can do it. "Unfortunately" a few of us develop for
>> > ASP.Net using Visual Studio... which last I checked doesn't run on
>> > Linux. Oh well, maybe the VS 2010 will have a native Linux version.
> ;)
>> >
>> > Until then, it would be nice to see some performance improvements
> for
>> > the windows stack. When it the new .svn structure going to happen?
> Is
>> > this slated for 1.6 or later?
>> >
>> > Thanks... this has been a great thread.
>> >
>> > BOb
>> >
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: David Weintraub [mailto:qazwart_at_gmail.com]
>> >> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:56 AM
>> >> To: Mark Phippard
>> >> Cc: Toby Thain; Hilco Wijbenga; users_at_subversion.tigris.org
>> >> Subject: Re: Subversion/Eclipse Performance on Windows
>> >>
>> >> Thanks! This is the information I was looking for. I'm going to try
>> >> the CollabNet Desktop -- Eclipse Edition. I also know to make sure
>> >> that developers are using JavaHL (especially since we'd have to
>> >> license SVNKit).
>> >>
>> >> We are going to be redoing our infrastructure. If we get rid of
>> >> Microsoft Exchange and go with a more "Open" email and calendar
>> >> provider, we wouldn't need Windows desktops for developers.
> Instead,
>> >> we could have Linux machines which seem much faster with Eclipse.
>> >>
>> >> One of our developers took his desktop machine, installed RedHat,
> and
>> >> then used an open VM to install Windows as a virtual machine. He
> does
>> >> his development in Linux and uses the Windows side for Outlook and
>> >> MS-Word. Maybe that's the way we should be going.
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 6:11 PM, Mark Phippard <markphip_at_gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 6:01 PM, David Weintraub
> <qazwart_at_gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> I'm attempting to get this running on my machine. This is a dual
>> > core
>> >> >> Pentium with a gigabyte of memory. Checking out in Subversion
> via
>> >> >> Eclipse Ganymede using the most recent copy of Subclipse and
>> > running
>> >> >> SVNkit took almost 13 minutes.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> A similar task on Linux via the command line takes about five.
>> >> >> However, checking out from CVS was not much faster. It took
> about
>> > 10
>> >> >> minutes. This is a big project (probably too big).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I've tried a merge, and Eclipse crashed (probably needs more
> memory
>> >> >> for its Java process. I'm attempting to try again.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What I am trying to find out is who uses Windows
>> > XP/Eclipse/Subversion
>> >> >> combination and whether they also have performance issues. Do
> you
>> > use
>> >> >> Subversive or Subclipse? Do you use SVNKit or JavaHL (which
> doesn't
>> >> >> seem available on my installation)?
>> >> >
>> >> > I'd say most users use it on Windows. JavaHL is preferred. This
>> > Wiki
>> >> > page explains how to get it working:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://subclipse.tigris.org/wiki/JavaHL
>> >> >
>> >> > Subclipse has to do more than a command line checkout as Eclipse
>> > does
>> >> > some stuff and the svn status of all items is calculated and
> cached.
>> >> > So it is normal for it to be slower than the command line.
>> >> >
>> >> > For merge you should use CollabNet Desktop. This includes/works
>> > with
>> >> Subclipse.
>> >> >
>> >> > http://desktop-eclipse.open.collab.net/
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Thanks
>> >> >
>> >> > Mark Phippard
>> >> > http://markphip.blogspot.com/
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> --
>> >> David Weintraub
>> >> qazwart_at_gmail.com
>> >>
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