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Re: Concerning history button

From: Molle Bestefich <molle.bestefich_at_gmail.com>
Date: 2005-11-15 18:31:45 CET

Simon Large wrote:
> enough of this. Counting mouse clicks is not really getting us far.

That's not an argument. You're not even trying.

> > Dialogs that popup and then disappear again are confusing.
> > If it has so little purpose that a combo box can do it's job, IMHO a
> > combo box should do it's job.
> >
> > (If you stick to wanting a button because of 508 or MS standards, the
> > button should at least invoke a popup menu, not an entire dialog.)
>
> There is precedent for small dialogs.
> Word->Insert->Break
> Thunderbird->File->Rename

Doesn't mean it's a good idea for this purpose.

> Combos are great for selecting things, but selecting *and* inserting on
> OnChange() is the issue here.

Obviously - was anybody confused about that?

> > The complaint was of an extremely technical and hypothetic nature.
> > I've never seen a real user actually complain about this.
>
> I'm a real user and I have raised it before (for the reason given above).

Lonely swan.

> > Stefan chose to use OnChange() to paste text instead of a
> > "paste" button as MS standards would have him.
>
> Then you are back to an extra click. Also you have an extra button on
> the commit dialog, something Stefan was keen to avoid.

You're snipping parts of what I wrote out of context and replying in a
totally random direction.
I don't know how you expect me to answer to that.

> >>> * It seems to me that standardized GUIs would layout the control on
> >>>the right-hand, not the left-hand side.
> >>
> >>Curious. It was originally on the right and someone complained that a
> >>standardized GUI would put it on the left.
> >
> > I think I've actually *never* seen dropdowns occur on the left-hand
> > side of their associated controls. Who said that?
>
> The button, not the drop-down. Putting it on the left makes it more
> visible I think. I don't know - I already know it's there so I can't
> tell what's best.

Again, if the button stays, it should result in a dropdown menu
instead of a dialog.
In that context it should also be placed on the right hand side.

> > Why?
> > * It degrades the user experience.
> No, it degrades *your* experience. No-one else has complained about it.

*shrug*. Try releasing it as-is and let's see.

> > * The proposal leading to it's implementation was, while rhetorically
> > perfect, completely irrelevant from a user's point of view.
>
> I think we can credit Stefan with being able to think for himself,
> rather than reacting blindly to the last proposal put forward.

Obviously. If you think I was suggesting otherwise, you're mistaken.

> There were suggestions for changing the combo behaviour,
> and a suggestion for using a separate dialog. As Stefan is the
> (only) one doing the coding he gets to choose.

Finally you present a good argument!
I'll accept that and leave the discussion there.

(Noting that the current solution is currently inferior to the
previous one, even if it does comply with 508 and MS documents.)

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