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Re: Subclipse vs. built-in cvs client

From: Alexis Gallagher <alexisgallagher_at_gmail.com>
Date: 2005-03-10 13:05:05 CET

Hello everyone,

Thanks for all the input regarding subclipse vs the cvs client. I'm
going to give it a try. CVS administration is something I've always
hoped I could avoid learning, like perl, so I'm hopeful that
subversion will actually let me get a way with this.

BTW, the problem I was starting subclipse disappeared when I upgraded
to eclipse 3.0.1 instad of 3.0.0.

I notice a lot of the subclipse documentation is a little thin. As I
am going to be learning some of these commands for the the first time,
and teaching them to people on my team with less of a background than
me, it would fit into my existing responsibilities if I contributed
new documentation myself -- as long as there's not too much overhead
for me getting in the loop administratively. Is that easy to do? I
suppose I should direct this to the dev list instead...


On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:13:15 -0500, Mark Phippard <MarkP@softlanding.com> wrote:
> Alexis Gallagher <alexisgallagher@gmail.com> wrote on 03/09/2005 06:31:16
> AM:
> > What are the main features missing from subclipse compared to
> > eclipse's built-in cvs client? For instance, does subclipse use the
> > same screen for resolution of merge conflicts? Or is it the case that
> > subclipse has the same main features now, and the main difference is
> > stability?
> CVS and Subversion are ultimately very different. Subversion mimiced the
> CVS command set to help people transition but the products are very
> different, and that is going to come through in any UI you use. That
> being said, Subclipse tries to emulate as much of the CVS Eclipse UI as
> possible. It does use the built-in Eclipse compare/merge facilities, the
> same as CVS.
> The Synchronize view is a big part of the CVS integration with Eclipse.
> That feature mostly works in Subclipse, but it is an area that is still
> being developed. There are just a few nagging problems with refreshing
> the view correctly after you do something.
> > I tried to answer this question myself by just installing subclipse
> > and kicking it around, but I get an error whenever I try to open the
> > subclipse perspective or configure it from preferences (I'm running
> > M3, and the error dialog says subclipse is unable to load its ui
> > classes). So unless I am just unlucky, I assume stability is already a
> > big difference.
> Personally, I think Subclipse is very stable. I never have problems using
> it. I also do not think the Eclipse CVS support is as stable as everyone
> wants to make it out to be. I have personally had problems when I applied
> a CVS security fix on my server and Eclipse just stopped working until
> they caught up with their own fix. My biggest problem now is that
> whenever I use CVS with tigris.org it takes at least 2 tries to complete
> any operation, and I cannot browse the repository (I think because there
> are too many modules).
> The #1 issue with using Subclipse is that it requires that you have native
> Subversion code on your system, specifically the JavaHL library and its
> dependencies. For Windows, we are able to ship these in a plugin, but for
> Linux or OS X you have to get them elsewhere. There is an easy to install
> version available for OS X that works 100% of the time, but for Linux it
> can be a real pain. You pretty much have to build Subversion and JavaHL
> from source to get the libraries.
> There is a 100% Java alternative you can try as well. You download it
> here:
> http://tmate.org/svn/subclipse.html
> It removes the burden of having to get JavaHL installed, and offers good
> performance. That being said, it also brings is own stability issues to
> the table. Most people seem to be having good success with it though.
> Mark
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