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Re: Locking UI comments

From: Mark Benedetto King <mbk_at_lowlatency.com>
Date: 2004-10-13 19:16:05 CEST

On Wed, Oct 13, 2004 at 02:06:06PM +0200, Sander Striker wrote:
> > From: Mark Benedetto King [mailto:mbk@lowlatency.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 1:54 PM
>
> > Well, one counter argument is that many people will forget to release
> > their locks.
>
> As long as locks are breakable/stealable, I don't really see the problem.
>
> > RCS's ci requires "-l" to keep the lock; i.e., releasing it is not the
> > default.
>
> Is or isn't it the default?

Sorry, I misspoke: releasing it is the default in RCS.

> >> I just don't think it's intuitive for 'svn commit' to release the lock
> >> when I explicitly requested it with 'svn lock.' 'svn unlock' should
> >> be the desired usage path we lead users towards. (UIs like TSVN or
> >> whatnot can have a checkbox for allowing the user to release the lock
> >> on commit. I'm only concerned about what our command-line GUI does.)
>
> > Shifting the default between UIs is evil. It would be nice if TSVN
> > users and command-line users could expect similar semantics from the
> > logical operations that they perform.
>
> Well, I disagree here. On commit TSVN is able to show unversioned
> files which can be added when you 'Commit'. Showing locks and being
> able to release them at that same point in the GUI seems logical.
> But I digress...

I agree that GUIs should be able to provider a richer UI, but providing
a nearly equivalent one that differs only in that the default operation
is inverted would be a source of confusion.

For example:

I am not familiar with TSVN, but I have witnessed the horror that is
WinCVS. It is basically a GUI wrapper around the fundamental CVS
operations; it does not provide an improved UI, just one that involves
clicking instead of typing. The CVS boolean command options are
exposed as checkboxes. In such a framework, it would be Just Plain
Wrong to invert the default.

--ben

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