On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Ryan Schmidt
<subversion-2009d_at_ryandesign.com> wrote:
> On Nov 21, 2009, at 06:44, Ciprian Dorin, Craciun wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Stefan Sperling wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> It helps to read the book....
>>
>> Thank you for your feedback. I shall try that.
>>
>> But on the other side, I want to make a small remark. The most
>> important element of open source projects are their community. If
>> there is no community, it means that there are no developers, and
>> there are no users. Also from the community it stems something else:
>> mutual non-profit help. By this I mean that if someone has a question
>> (even the most silliest one), and he sends an email to the community
>> mailing list, the usual outcome (depending on the community) is:
>> * someone gives a polite answer correcting him, or pointing him to
>> the correct place (like one of the repliers to this email has done);
>> * he is ignored (usually happens with projects governed by
>> elitists, which have forgotten that their were once newbies (I've seen
>> a lot of these kind)); (and eventually the user will end-up RTFM, but
>> mumbling because he has to loose a couple of hours reading the
>> "Advanced" part of the (RT)FM just to clarify a very simple issue...)
>> * or seldom someone just sends him to RTFM... (which is even worse
>> than ignoring him in the first place, because now he's indirectly
>> called an ignorant)...
>>
>> So my two cents opinion: rather than using an awesome tool, I
>> would prefer to use a sh...ty tool, but with an awesome community...
> To be fair, the Subversion community is actually pretty awesome. There are tons of people subscribed giving answers to tons of questions every day. Just check the volume of messages in the archives to see how big the community is. I answered your original email and provided you a link to a workaround for your issue within 9 minutes of you posting it; I think that's pretty awesome too.
Yes, I was positively impressed that you've quickly given me the
right answer. And this was enough for me to correct my wrong doing.
(And to be clear I was not referring to you in my previous email.)
I'm also a member of this mailing list since two or three years
ago, and I quietly skim through the subjects. (There were only a few
threads that I've actually followed closely, and their were related
with mainly what opportunities did SVN opened.)
> Occasionally there will be a rebuke on the list (perhaps sometimes sounding harsher than intended) about not having read the book or a FAQ entry, but that's because the book is so thorough and well-written and even fun to read and the FAQ has so many pertinent answers in it. They really are worth a look and will increase your understanding of Subversion.
Yes I agree that the book is well written, especially in the
end-user area (but there are still rough edges in the back-end
(server-side) area...)
And I have read the book about three-or four years ago, and indeed
it was pleasant to read. But unfortunately I forgot all the
"fine-print" details.
> And once you've gotten used to Subversion's quirks (and what tool doesn't have some of those), I think you'll agree (if you don't already) that it's a pretty great tool.
:) Yes it's true that Subversion is the best (open source) tool
for most use cases. For example I'm currently using SVN to allow my
students to upload their projects. This enables me to impose
deadlines, allow team work, isolate different teams from seeing their
code, and to enforce what they upload (for example I disallow
binaries)...
Thanks again,
Ciprian.
P.S.: Unfortunately for my own projects, I've migrated to Git. :(
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