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Re: Subversion vs AccuRev

From: Andreas Magnusson <andreas.ch.magnusson_at_home.se>
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:20:39 +0200

Bryan Wilkins wrote:
> The company I work for has been using Subversion happily/successfully
> for the past two years. A couple of months ago a new Configuration
> Manager was hired. For that last two weeks he has been “hot and heavy”
> into webinars and evaluations of AccuRev. He really thinks that it will
> “increase” productivity. The AccuRev marketing has really been selling
> him on their “stream” paradigm vs. the traditional “branches” paradigm.
> AccuRev says that that “stream” paradigm is the “way of the future”.
>
>
>
> This is a quote from one of AccuRevs Senior Developers/Marketers, how
> does the group feel about this statement.
>
>
>
> */_I’d highly suggest you take a thorough evaluation of AccuRev to
> realize the true value of the technology and the benefits. I was an
> evaluator just like you…then a customer… and now a believer. I’ll
> never go back to a branch-based system [cvs/svn/p4/cc/git/etc]. Never.
> Streams are just so natural for managing software development. In the
> same way that OO paradigm trumped Functional programming, streams are
> trumping branches [in fact, the stream inheritance model is… OO….]._/*
>
>
>
> I would like to get some of the users group opinions on AccuRev. AccRev
> is giving our CM their opinions and thoughts about Subversion (of course
> they are biased toward AccuRev, how else would they stay in business),
> but what are yours?
>
>
>
> Are there any users in the group that have used AccuRev in past jobs and
> what are their thoughts?
>
>
>
> Another concern we have as a group is preserving our history. When we
> moved from CVS to SVN our entire code base history was preserved (via
> cvs2svn), everything I can see is that if we move to AccuRev we can only
> take “snap-shots” of the SVN repo at particular revisions and then
> “import” that exact revision into AccuRev, (can’t “dump” our svn repo
> and then read it back into AccuRev) do you know if that is the case?
>
>
>
> If our CM forces this move upon us and then down the road we find out
> that AccuRev was not the expected “bang for your buck” and we move back
> to Subversion do you know if you can “dump” the AccuRev repo and then
> read it back into a SVN repo?
>
>
>
> The majority of the developers I work with would like to stay with
> Subversion, but we are getting the feeling that our opinion might not
> matter. Some help from this group with a “why stick with Subversion”
> would be great. Suggestions other then “Subversion is free v AccuRev is
> expensive” would be beneficial as we have already brought this up with
> our CM and he doesn’t see that as a valid reason..
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help, we are really looking for opinion to keep our CM
> from forcing this move upon us.
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------
>
> Bryan Wilkins
>
> Software Engineer
>
> ---------------------------------------------
>
>
>

Well', I've had to use AccuRev at work, and I just don't like it. First
of all they seemed to have to redefine all the actions we're used to.
Like "Delete". Uh uh, it cannot be named "Delete", so we call it
"Defunct". Now, all you Americans probably have a good graps what that
really means, but why not call it "Delete"?
They have a bad UI, a bad Eclipse integration and no working Windows
Explorer integration (on a 64-bit version that is).
Subversion has it all. I've come to the conclusion that to gauge the
maturity of a SCM product *on Windows* simply see if they have a working
Windows Explorer integration for 64-bit XP/Vista.

Oh, and these streams with "auto-merge", pure evil. Because everything
works automatically until you have a merge conflict, then you have to do
it by hand anyway. So why not merge/synch when you feel up for it/ready?
That way you know to look for conflicts, instead of having to fire up
the UI, and look for overlaps, oh, and don't forget to look for
deep-overlaps also. There is probably a good *technical* reason for the
two, but as a user I just don't care.

Sorry, didn't really mean to go off the deap end here...

/Andreas

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