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Re: SVN & Tortoise tutorials

From: marc gonzalez-carnicer <carnicer.lists_at_gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:08:12 +0100

+1 to "concepts before procedures and demo". the problem for svn newcomers
is to unlearn the concepts that have been written with fire in their
brains by older VCSs.

main concepts :

1. revision (snapshot / tag) as opposed to version (of individual files)
2. WC / repo

3. concept of Copy-Modify-Merge as opposed to Lock-Modify-Unlock
4. basic operations + working cycle
5. WC can be modified at will, no need to "unlock / checkout" or
request anything

this can be taught in groups in less than 1 hour or even 30',
depending on the audience.

you may find many people who will openly (and shamelessly) say that
the svn (non-exclusive) model is pure crap. you may give them
references of svn users, sponsors, that is #1 VCS. and that microsoft
VSS has incorporated the Copy-Modify-Merge model to its newest and
non-cheap development environments (since 2006?).

2008/11/30 Andy Levy <andy.levy_at_gmail.com>:
> 2008/11/30 Ilan Yaniv <Ilan.Yaniv_at_timetoknow.org>:
>> I want to teach them both.
>> The thing is that they are working with Tortoise but they have many problems and it is because nobody told them how to work so they are swimming at deep water, and they are very unhappy, and unconfident with SVN
>
> Don't teach them any client at all for starters. Teach the concepts &
> workflow first. Then show them how to do those things in whichever
> client(s) you're using.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robert P. J. Day [mailto:rpjday_at_crashcourse.ca]
>> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 5:47 PM
>> To: Ilan Yaniv
>> Cc: Subversion Users
>> Subject: Re: SVN & Tortoise tutorials
>>
>> On Sun, 30 Nov 2008, Ilan Yaniv wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> In my company there are many workers that don't understand well the
>>> SVN, tortoise idea.
>>>
>>> Before I start writing my own Power Point tutorial (and I am not so
>>> good with Power Point) I thought that there are already written
>>> tutorials for those tools, and I can find and download them from the
>>> Internet.
>>>
>>> Could you let me know where can I find them?
>>
>> i suggest that, before you try to teach a specific GUI like
>> tortoise, you make sure your colleagues truly understand the
>> fundamentals of version control WRT subversion. until they really
>> appreciate how it works, teaching them a particular GUI won't be of
>> much value.
>>
>> rday
>> --
>>
>> ========================================================================
>> Robert P. J. Day
>> Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry:
>> Have classroom, will lecture.
>>
>> http://crashcourse.ca Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
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