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Re: Required reqistration

From: Jan Hendrik <list.jan.hendrik_at_gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 09:26:00 +0200

Concerning Re: Required reqistration
Karl Fogel wrote on 8 Aug 2008, 12:34, at least in part:

> "Jan Hendrik" <list.jan.hendrik_at_gmail.com> writes:
> > what about this "certified" business? In my humble understanding
> > before long any request on this list or other places which has a
> > buggy smell will be put down until the poster confirms it with the
> > binaries from CollabNet. Just because any binary, at Tigris or
> > elsewhere, is, well, not certified and in such a manner official and
> > could just be the buggy reason for any issue. I will gladly be
> > proven wrong, in the long run ... For it seems like the Windows
> > installer at Tigris already has become victim of CollabNet's
> > binaries.
> I didn't understand what you were trying to say above. Could you give
> a concrete example?
> We accept bug reports from any useful source. I have no idea what
> you're referring to with the word "certified". Somebody somewhere may
> be certifying something, but that's not the Subversion project's
> concern, as long as they comply with our trademark policy
> (http://subversion.org/legal/trademark-policy.html).

The binaries at CollabNet are distinguished as "certified". In my
understanding certified here means that the binaries are
guaranteed to be created from the official source and tested. And
this is not by somebody somewhere, it is by CollabNet. The
owner/copyright holder of Tigris (and thereby this list) and chief
sponsor of the Subversion project. IIRC a significant number of the
core developers in the Subversion project are on their payroll.

The binaries at Tigris or other places are not certified, and neither I
nor you could tell off-hand if they were built from the unchanged
official source. Admittedly those available from Tigris have a "good
smell" as they still have kind of an official blessing.

Putting this together I would not be a bit surprised if - I wrote
*before long* - if at some point issues beyond plain usage were
more or less limited to issues arising from the certified binaries.
Being a Scorpio I actually wouldn't be surprised about some other
developments either.

> All of these criticisms should be directed at CollabNet, not to the
> Subversion project.

Probably. However, beyond CollabNet's ownership of this list (as
the copyright holders of Tigris.org) and their sponsorship
(ownership?) of the Subversion project I have no whatsoever
relationship with CollabNet. They don't offer things to people
running their own versions of related software, all right, I don't use
their stuff, I don't have to criticize them for doing their business as
they deem fit.

I was, however, referring to you writing that the CollabNet binaries
were "not any more 'official' than any other binary someone
chooses to make", asking about that "certified" which I read as
virtually equivalent to "official", given the immediate relationship and
almost identity of CollabNet & Tigris, and only on this occasion
stating why they are not useful here and why I suspect them
replacing the Tigris binaries in the longer run, just as I gave my
opinion why sometimes I prefer(red) the former installer at Tigris
over the zipped binary package. And I didn't start this thread,
actually there had been at least three before if criticising had been
on my mind.

Let's let it rest there, we both have better things to do than a
fruitless discussion. I shall be glad if I am wrong. If I am not then
this might be a pity at first, but there would be a solution, most
likely even a better one. The caravan moves on, and so does life.

Have a fine weekend.

Jan Hendrik

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