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RE: Re: Default folder names compulsory?

From: Srilakshmanan, Lakshman <lakshman.srilakshmanan_at_police.vic.gov.au>
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:22:03 +1100


-----Original Message-----
From: pd [mailto:an0n1m0us_at_gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 11 January 2008 5:05 PM
To: users_at_subversion.tigris.org
Subject: Re: Default folder names compulsory?

At 03:22 PM 11/01/2008, Ryan Schmidt wrote:
>On Jan 10, 2008, at 22:11, pd wrote:
>>I'm new to version control in general, let along any one 'flavour'
>>like SVN, so please be gentle :)
>>I work on websites on Ubuntu servers running Apache. Standard accounts

>>are used for example:
>>Virtual web sites are then 'mapped' in Apache to:
>>Overall I think this is a relatively normal set up.
>>To integrate SVN, is it possible to make the
>>folder the 'trunk' folder?
>>Branches and tags can go anywhere on the dev server because they will
>>be copied to separate staging and production servers and therefore
>>don't need to be usable on the dev server, from a web browser for
>>example. Hence I was hoping to have these folders at this level:
>>So in summary, is it possible to have this:
>>I can see this might present a problem with the branches and tags
>>folders 'under' the trunk folder unless they are excluded from the
>>files versioned as trunk code.
>There seems to be a few basic misunderstandings...
>First, the trunk, branches and tags are in the repository database, not

>folders on your hard disk.

'in the repository database' meaning they are flags on revision records?

>You can check things out from the
>repository into working copies, which then are on your hard disk, but
>you wouldn't check out the root of the repository, including the trunk,

>all branches and all tags.

Yeah i don't think I was suggesting this.

Presently we tend to connect to the server via FTP, download a file,
work on it, and save it via FTP back to the server. This is probably
very different to 'normal' desktop software development however it's
quite effective in the tiny team we have. We'd just like to add revision
control for backup more than anything, and version management.

>Rather, you would usually check out
>the trunk and work on it. If you want to work on a branch instead, you
>can switch your trunk working copy to that branch, work, then switch
>back to the trunk. Or you can check out a second working copy for your
>branch work, then delete the working copy.

Cool, sounds fine, so despite the common online code 'browsers' I've
seen, such as trac, which are designed to look like filesystems,
/trunk/, /branches/, /tags/ don't ever actually exist as folder on the
server, correct?

>Second, trunk, branches and tags need to be at the same level.
>branches and tags cannot be under the trunk. This is not due to any
>built-in Subversion restriction, but simple logic of directory

But you said trunk, branch, tags are not folder/directories? Are you
saying that SVN recursively scans any files in a given folder and
versions everything? Hence if a branch or tag set of files exist
within/underneath the trunk folder, they will be included in addition to
the trunk files, meaning they are duplicates and confusion would reign?

I think I suggested that might be a flaw in my suggestion.

> A branch or tag is created by copying the trunk. And I think most
>file systems (Subversion repositories included) don't let you copy
>directories into themselves.


>trunk, branches and tags directories don't need to be called that.

Why are you referring to these words as 'directories' (aka folders) when
initially you stated

"trunk, branches and tags are in the repository database, not folders"

>They can have any name you want. Or you can omit them entirely. After
>all, a Subversion repository is just a versioned file system. You can
>version any files and directories you want. That said, you probably do
>want the functionality this setup gives you, and it's useful to use the

>names that everyone else does for these concepts.

So trunk, branches, tags are not directies/folders but they kinda are
... I can name them whatever I like but I kinda shouldn't?

I'm still confused though I appreciate your effort to respond Ryan.

>Have you read the free online book? It should explain everything you
>need to know.

I've read bits and pieces. I'd really like a printout, does anyone know
if an easier-to-print version exists, for example a pdf?


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