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Re: Mnemomic names for revisions

From: Tim Hill <tim_at_realmsys.com>
Date: 2005-05-02 23:39:59 CEST

But if a label is just a property on a directory it *is* in a hierarchy
-- it inherits the hierarchy of the directory tree. Apart from the "out
of band" issue, the biggest issue I have is that labels should really be
a different "dimension" on the repos, that can cut across the directory
structure. Overloading the directory hierarchy with another semantic can
(and in my experience does) lead to ornate or complex heriarchies that
are cumbersome and need a "magic decoding ring" to make work.

I think we are also arguing a philosophy -- can tags do the job?
Technically, yes. Would other mechanisms assist SVN users and admins? I
would argue yes. You correctly note some administrative issues with
labels, but there are just as many with tags.

OK, we'll just have to agree to disagree. :)

--Tim

Weintraub, David wrote:

>> svn co URL -r !MYLABEL!
> Now, you need a mechanism for listing the "labels" you created. And,
> someway to prevent a user from creating a label with the same name
> (unless this is an administrator only feature). You don't want a user
> to create a REL_1.0 label when you'd like to create one.
>
> Don't think of the "tags" directory as a "directory". Instead, it is
> just a place where you store valid labels. For example:
>
> $ svnlook http://myserver/project tags #Lists all valid
> labels you created
> svnlook http://myserver/project tags/builds
> <http://myserver/project%20tags/builds> #Lists all valid build labels
>
> Now, there is no need for a "list labels" command. Since labels could
> be heirarical, you don't have a name space collision problem either. I
> could create all the labels I want under the "tags/david" directory
> and not interfere with anyone else or with the administrator. A little
> forthought means you can quickly find all of the various labels you're
> interested in.
>
> Your above command is equivellent to something like this:
>
> svn co http://myserver/projects/tags/MYLABEL
>
> This will checkout all of the sources that are under MYLABEL into the
> current working directory.
>
> The only problem is that (without any hooks), I could change, add, and
> delete files in this working directory and then check them back in
> under http://myserver/projects/tags/MYLABEL without really thinking
> about it. The only thing I'd like to see is some sort of locking
> mechanism that prevents commits unless I do an unlock first. There are
> times I might want to make a quick "one up" correction in a file
> without going through a whole build process.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Tim Hill [mailto:tim@realmsys.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, May 02, 2005 3:25 PM
> *To:* Johan Appelgren
> *Cc:* Subversion Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: Mnemomic names for revisions
>
> Yes, you can do some pre-commit "magic", but I think it's still
> somewhat out-of-band. Don't get me wrong: the branch mechanism in
> SVN is admirable, but overloading its use for labels is somewhat odd.
>
> Would labels have to be a flat list? Why shouldn't I be able to
> label a directory? At this point, a label looks an awful lot like
> a directory property to me ("svn:label" ???). In fact, the only
> real change needed in SVN itself would be to allow revision
> numbers to be specified using labels, so, for example:
>
> svn co URL -r !MYLABEL!
>
> ...would checkout the revision implied by the label (I made up the
> silly syntax, substitiute as desired).
>
> I can see several uses:
> 1. Eliminate need for "trivial" tags. Tags are good for major
> milestones, where the visibility is a plus. But for every build?
> 2. Eliminate out-of-band data. If I equate SVN revisions to
> builds, then tracking build numbers to revision numbers is of
> course trivial. But many shops have build processes that are not
> so simple, and as a result must track revision number to build
> number histories, creating YASLDF (Yet Another Silly Little Data
> File). Far better to use labels and keep everything within a
> single reference point -- SVN itself.
>
> ...and after all, we already have extensions to the "pure"
> revision number model for dates, so why not labels?
>
> --Tim
>
> Johan Appelgren wrote:
>
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>Are aware that you can use a pre-commit hook to make the tags
>>readonly? That would at least remove part of your problem with how you
>>tag in subversion. And being able to put branches, tags and pretty
>>much anything else in a clear hierarchy is in my eye less of a
>>nightmare than having a huge flat list of labels. But then again, I'm
>>probably missing something about how you envision labels to work :)
>>
>>/Johan
>>
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