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Re: geekyness and ESR's recent tome

From: John Peacock <jpeacock_at_rowman.com>
Date: 2004-03-02 20:36:28 CET

GreyGeek wrote:

>
> When did a 1.0 release start representing the 'bleeding edge'?

Not Subversion! The _dependencies_ are more recent than most distros are
currently shipping.

> The MDK rpms were for the 1.0 release. So were the RH rpms.

You are missing the point. Subversion has been out for a sum total of 8 days!
It's not suprising that the RPM's aren't suitable for use just yet.

>
> That's EXACTLY what Subversion should do, and other apps as well. It's called
> a 'static binary' BECAUSE all the necessary libraries are included.

And a static binary means that other code which wants to work on top of
Subversion, for example RapidSVN or TortoiseSVN, have to _also_ include those
same libraries in their own static binaries. It defeats the whole purpose of
shared libraries.

>
> Not quite:
> Ignoring the Apache and BerkeleyDB requirements, which were no problem and
> required regardless of the distro used,
> an unsuccessful MDK installation required:
> libdb4.0-4.0.14-6mdk.i586.rpm
> libopenssl0.9.7-0.9.7b-4mdk.i586.rpm
> libsvncpp0-0.5.0-1mdk.i586.rpm
> subversion-1.0.0-1mdk.i586.rpm
> subversion-client-tools-1.0.0-1mdk.i586.rpm
> subversion-doc-1.0.0-1mdk.i586.rpm
> subversion-python-0.29.0-2mdk.i586.rpm
> subversion-repos-1.0.0-1mdk.i586.rpm
> subversion-repo-tools-1.0.0-1mdk.i586.rpm

That's the basic problem with RPM's; each distro splits the files up
differently, with different dependencies, based on what they are already
providing in their own "base" install.

You should really try Ben Reser's RPM's for Mandrake:

        http://mirror.brain.org/linux/breser/mandrake
        http://ben.reser.org/mandrake/breser/

That second link has instructions for adding his files as a new source for urpmi.

> Wrong, they don't want to learn and frankly, how successful do you think I'd
> be if I showed them what I had to go through to get svn working on my box,
> and only on the CLI at that?

What's wrong with RapidSVN?

        http://rapidsvn.tigris.org/

Plus it's cross-platform! You can show it to them on Windows.

> Remember, the idea is to migrate away from Windows.

You never said that in your original message! My advice changes to: wait a
month to let the distro's get their act together. You are getting all hot and
bothered over the inevitable shakeout period immediately after a release.

John

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John Peacock
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Rowman & Littlefield Publishing Group
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