----- Original Message -----
> From: Stefan Küng <tortoisesvn_at_gmail.com>
> On 07.11.2011 17:45, BRM wrote:
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>> From: Stefan Küng<tortoisesvn_at_gmail.com> To:
>>> dev_at_tortoisesvn.tigris.org Cc: Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011
>>> 2:55 PM Subject: Re: Feature Request: svn:externals dialog
>>> update...
>>>
>>> On 01.11.2011 23:10, BRM wrote:
>>>>> From: Simon Large<simon.tortoisesvn_at_gmail.com> To:
>>>>> dev_at_tortoisesvn.tigris.org Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 5:33
>>>>> PM Subject: Re: Feature Request: svn:externals dialog
>>>>> update...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1 November 2011 18:22, BRM<bm_witness_at_yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>>>>>> I just upgraded to the 1.7 series and noticed the change in
>>>>>> the svn:externals property dialog. Overall, I really like
>>>>>> it. However, I am presently in a situation where not all of
>>>>>> the users of my SVN repository use a version of SVN that
> uses
>>>>>> the newer svn:externals format (some are still using SVN
> 1.4)
>>>>>> and I have no way of forcing them to upgrade. The new
> dialog,
>>>>>> however, puts out the newer format when used, and comes up
> by
>>>>>> default when clicking the "Edit". So, I would
> like to make a
>>>>>> simple feature
>>> request - a
>>>>>> simple boolean setting
> (TortoiseSVN->Settings->Advanced)
>>>>>> that
>>> is
>>>>>> disabled by default that allows the user to determine which
>>>>>> dialog comes up by default when editing the svn:externals -
>>>>>> if set to FALSE then the new dialog is displayed (default
>>>>>> behavior), if set to TRUE then the Advanced (old-style)
>>>>>> dialog is displayed. This should only affect the default
>>>>>> behavior of the 'Edit' button; users should still
> be able to
>>>>>> go to either
>>> dialog
>>>>>> by using the arrow to access the menu and select the dialog
>>>>>> (presently 'Default' and 'Advanced', though
> this
>>> should probably
>>>>>> be 'Default', 'Simple', and
> 'Advanced' with
>>> this change.)
>>>>>
>>>>> You do know that you can just use the advanced option anyway,
>>>>> don't you, both when editing and when creating new
> properties.
>>>>> Does this really need a hidden option to enforce it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I am aware that you can use it any way; however, I would
>>>> like an option so that I can set it and not have to remember to
>>>> use it. And more importantly, I want to be able to tell my
>>>> compatriots that they can just set an option instead of having to
>>>> remember otherwise someone might accidentally set something that
>>>> someone else won't be able to use.
>>>>
>>>> So this is more of a setting to use as a preventative option for
>>>> teams that have to deal with old (series 1.4 and older)
>>>> subversion clients; either as a migration option or simply to
>>>> keep things as is.
>>>>
>>>> That said, the option could simply be to keep the format of the
>>>> svn:externals in the old format vs. the new format (disabling
>>>> Peg revisions, etc. appropriately) if it already is in the old
>>>> format, perhaps with a button/checkbox to re-enable it and force
>>>> the update of the syntax - e.g. don't change the formatting
>>>> unless specifically instructed to do so. Either method would
>>>> work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> While I would love to live in a world where such options are not
>>>> required/needed, they are nonetheless useful.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry, but the 'new' format for svn:externals isn't
> new
>>> anymore, it exists since svn 1.5. That's now two major versions
>>> behind. Only 1.4 clients or even older don't know this format yet.
>>> And since those ancient versions aren't even
>>>
>>> supported anymore, you just have to update those old clients of
>>> yours. Not just for the new format of the externals, but for
>>> security reasons: there are no security updates for those versions
>>> available anymore, and as you might have noticed, there were a few
>>> security fixes done in 1.6 and backported to 1.5, but not 1.4. So I
>>> won't add an option to support insecure clients.
>>
>> They're the only option for people using Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (long term
>> service) as Ubuntu has not updated it past 1.4 series. So there is
>> still support there from some Linux Distros, though yes, not from SVN
>> itself. I have already offered builds of 1.6 series, but getting
>> adoption is a different issue that is far harder than having such a
>> simple option in place in TSVN for compatibility reasons. I am sure I
>> am not the only one that will be having this issue, though I will
>> agree it will certainly be in the minority.
>>
>> And I'm sure you'll still find people on the SVN list still using
> 1.3
>> and 1.4 for their servers which also won't support the "new"
> format.
>> (Yes, I am aware it was introduced in 1.5 so it's not 'new' any
> more.
>> However, it is NEW that TSVN is forcing the conversion of the format
>> via this default dialog for editing svn:externals. SVN 1.5/1.6/1.7
>> itself is happy to continue using either format.
>
> You could use an 1.0 server if you like. That has nothing to do with
> clients - all clients can talk to all server versions. Using an 1.7
> client with an 1.0 server still works.
> That's no excuse to not update the clients.
And sometimes getting updates is out of your hands when one is not available through official means and that's all people will use.
That's still no reason to force people to change a format of a feature that is still supported by the latest versions when the new format is only supported by a small set of the releases and where people may not want to change the format.
In this case, I have to advise that people either use the advanced dialog (with TSVN 1.7 - which they are likely to forget) or continue using the older TSVN 1.6 which you no longer support either. I'd much rather allow them to upgrade to TSVN 1.7 and have an option to set to maintain the usage we want until we are ready to make the change ourselves.
Ben
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