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Re: [OT] Turtle

From: Joseph Galbraith <galb_at_vandyke.com>
Date: 2006-05-18 16:03:52 CEST

Steve Williams wrote:
> Stefan Küng wrote:
>> On 5/18/06, BobF <rfreeze@charter.net> wrote:
>>> <$.02US>
>>> I don't know where you register, but you might start with a politely
>>> written
>>> communication to the Turtle folks asking them to use something else.
>>> Explain how long the "turtle" has been the logo for Tortoise and that
>>> you
>>> don't want any confusion.
>>> I would make my decision on next steps dependent on how the Turtle folks
>>> respond.
>>> </$.02US>
>> good idea!
>> Someone with good writing skills around here? I always was *terrible*
>> at writing official letters...
>> Stefan
> To Whom It May Concern,
> We recently became aware of your community project entitled Turtle, a
> rich client interface for Microsoft's Team Foundation Server (TFS)
> source code control system. You may or may not be aware of two
> pre-existing projects providing rich clients for source code control
> systems. These two projects are TortoiseCVS
> (http://www.tortoisecvs.org/) and TortoiseSVN
> (http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/), both freely available and widely used
> on Microsoft Windows PCs around the world. TortoiseCVS is a Microsoft
> Windows Explorer shell extension for managing local working copies for
> source code stored in a CVS repository. TortoiseSVN was started with
> some ideas and shell extension code from TortoiseCVS, but has since
> become the predominant GUI client for the Subversion source code control
> system (http://subversion.tigris.org/).
> Both TortoiseCVS and TortoiseSVN have been distributed freely for many
> years, and are in wide use around the world. TortoiseCVS has had almost
> 1.4 million downloads from SourceForge since 2002, and TortoiseSVN has
> had the same (1.4 million) in just one year on SourceForge. Both
> projects are older than that, but it gives a clear view of the
> popularity of these two clients.
> The potential confusion arises from both the name (Turtle compared to
> Tortoise) and the use of a green turtle logo drawn in a cartoon style.
> Both TortoiseCVS and TortoiseSVN use a green tortoise logo drawn in a
> cartoon style.
> We believe that the use of the name Turtle and the green turtle logo for
> your source code control client interface may be confusing for the
> public. It would be desirable for your project to make itself distinct
> from any apparent relationship or association with either the
> TortoiseCVS or TortoiseSVN projects to avoid or prevent potential
> confusion between the unrelated projects.
> Thank you, and we hope that this is just a concidence and not an attempt
> to cash in on the widespread knowledge and high respect of both the
> TortoiseCVS and TortoiseSVN projects. It would be greatly appreciated
> if you could take steps to rectify the points raised in this letter.

It looks good fr the most part, but I would definitely strike
most of the last paragraph (it's a tad inflammatory and goes
without saying... i.e., the very fact that this letter exist
implies that we hope such things.)

Something like:

   Thank you for you consideration in this matter.

would be sufficient, I think.

Given what Stefan said about TortoiseCVS and TortoiseSVN being
separate projects though, I too wonder why this is okay and not
their project.

My personal opinion (not having years of sweat invested in either
TortoiseSVN or TortoiseCVS) is that maybe this is a bit of an
over-reaction... but I do tend to be pretty laid back about these
kinds of things.



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