Stefan Küng wrote:
> But I have to decide what's rude and what's not for the average user.
I'd like to consider myself at least somewhat average in this respect,
but we'd have to do a head count to be sure.
> > Regardless, that's not the point.
>
> No. Once deactivated, it stays that way.
Ok.
Still not the point.
> > I was talking about the installer asking the user if "Is it ok to
> > check for updates from time to time?". Probably just as a checkbox
> > that's checked per default. That's what I see others doing.
>
> And where would that stop? *You* want to decide *that* option in the
> setup. Then the next guy wants another option in the setup too. In the
> end, we'd have the whole settings dialog in the setup too.
No, because there is absolutely nothing controversial about any of
those other options.
The only option that *has* to be an installer option is "phone home".
The reason is that once the program is installed, the feature will
activate itself without your consent. This means that the option
you've put in the options dialog is in fact not an option at all -
TSVN might well have phoned home before the time that you happen to
reach the option dialog and find the check box.
No other TSVN option has those characteristics, so nobody can
realistically complain about those not being in the installer. Nor
can I ever imagine that anyone would.
> You give up no information about yourself.
That statement is never completely true - let's not discuss that.
> > No problem there, but you have to ask me kindly if you can phone home
> > from time to time, otherwise you will be blocked.
>
> I don't think I have to ask.
Yep, got that.
> You have installed it. So I assume you trust it.
Like you installed Windows, Internet Explorer and Outlook, and you
really trust those, right?
> > (If I tell you no, don't install the crash report feature. Gray out
> > the checkbox. Another problem solved.)
>
> No. I would never disable the crash report feature!
Fair enough.
Then don't complain about getting crash reports from older versions :-).
Getting a bit extreme, you could, if these old reports were really the
problem, just apply an email filter that throws out reports based on
older TSVNs.
But I think that's not really the issue.
I think that the real issue is that you're hellbent on having the
authority over which version of TSVN is installed on my PC.
You want me to have the newest version all the time so you get the
newest crash reports. And you'd rather that all users live blissfully
without knowing that TSVN updates automatically, rather than loosing
up-to-date crash reports from those users that decide to opt-out from
automatic updating. I think *that*'s the issue.
Therefore you like the option the way it is, relatively hidden because
the place where it sits is actually slightly irrelevant (I'll expand
on this point if needed).
And therefore you tell me that it's not really rude, when in fact you
probably haven't even considered whether it's the morally right thing
the software is doing - you're just saying it's not rude because you
happen to like the way it works now and the advantages you suspect it
has to you (imaginary or not).
(Apologies if I've stepped over the line, but I think the above is
true. Please correct me if I'm wrong.)
> you have to deal with yourself being overly paranoid.
Accusing me of having a psychological disorder characterized by
delusions of persecution will get us nowhere. Oh, and I find it
rather rude! :-).
> If you upgrade Firefox correctly, the custom search engines will be kept.
Only with minor updates.
Major updates break them.
And even minor updates break the Firefox extensions that I use.
> And you really block firefox from checking for newer versions?
> A webbrowser? That means an application which connects to the internet
> and must be kept up-to-date all the time to avoid having security issues?
Well, it can't run ActiveX controls and VBScript. The security design
of those two systems are about as useful (and intelligent) as a
chocolate teapot, as someone said recently. As long as those aren't
there, I'll be fine. And in fact I have been, ever since the 0.9
days. I upgrade about once every half year. Haven't had a single
incident yet. And I do browse a lot.
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Received on Wed Apr 12 20:25:29 2006