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RE: [TSVN] What to see immediately?

From: <Bill.Hughes_at_cgi-europe.com>
Date: 2005-04-15 11:23:09 CEST

SteveKing wrote:
> Mark Phippard wrote:
>>> - is a file added? Not really important. A 'modified' overlay would
>>> be enough here.
>> Agree,
> I'm currently working on the readonly overlay, replacing the 'added'
> overlay with it.
That seems the best compromise available.

>> I do not have an opinion on what icon to use, but I agree for the
>> need. Also, clearly the issue is as simple as the file being
>> read-only, which is good for performance reasons. The fact that it
>> is read-only because of that property is kind of irrelevant because
>> the same issues/problems would apply to any read-only file.
> True. I just hope that Subversion will extend the
> svn_wc_entry_t struct
> with the filestat information. Otherwise I have to do a
> filestat again
> to find out if a file is readonly or not.

>>> About having that overlay propagate up in the tree: I don't think
>>> that would be very helpful.
>> Definitely agree!
Hmm you could _almost_ mark the folder as conflicted if it's not able to be
committed, it's a change to the meaning of 'conflicted' but not totally

>>> - Do I have files locked? Also an important information. Not so
>>> important as for e.g. VSS since other users can steal a lock from
>>> you if
>>> you're too lazy to give the lock back, but still you should know
>>> that you have some locks left in your working copy.
>> PVCS lets you steal locks, I think that all locking tools do. I
>> think the presence of this feature in SVN is being blown out of
>> proportion.
> Well, that depends on how the locking is implemented.
> Subversion never
> intended to *enforce* something. The whole locking feature is
> implemented as a help for users, some kind of communication.
I remember a few queries from people whose managers want a system that does
enforce locking, I suppose SVN just won't be suitable. Different usage
patterns and son on.

>> I still think you could just pass on this whole issue and not touch
>> the decorators in this release. Get the functionality in place and
>> see what comes of it. Clearly the majority of people contributing
>> to this dicussion are confused about one aspect or another of the
>> feature. It will be easier to get real discussions when people are
>> using it. And if no one uses it, then it gets even easier!
> Well, the 'readonly' overlay already was asked for by I'd say
> important people (the person responsible for usability at collab.net,
> Nina Wishbow).
> Sure, it won't help much for IDE's which open many files of a project
> which reside in several subfolders. But it *will* help those
> users who
> edit single files (e.g. photoshop files, word documents, ...) a lot.
> And let's be honest: the whole locking stuff is made for
> them, not for
> programmers who edit textfiles which are mergeable and shouldn't be
> locked anyway.
Unless that's their working practice. I think it's dumb too, but it happens.

I'd like to just make sure I understand a few things properly:
A commit of a read-only file will fail.
A file with svn:needs-lock will be checked out as read-only until a lock is
A lock can be obtained for any file, even if it doesn't have svn:needs-lock.

If the above are all true then why not treat all read-only files as having
svn:needs-lock, even if it's not actually set by the repo? Show all
read-only files with an icon meaning 'not committable' and allow the wc to
get a lock in order to commit.
It seems that the wc can't know the lock status of a file - it may have a
lock for a file but this may have been stolen and the wc cannot know this.
The only time the wc can be reasonably certain of a files lock status is
while communicating with the repo. (Commit/check/get lock etc.)
Given the comments in other messages that SVN doesn't actually enforce locks
if you manually change a files read-only status perhaps tsvn should check
for this too, until svn does implement it.


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