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Re: [Subclipse-dev] Here we go again

From: Mark Phippard <markp_at_softlanding.com>
Date: 2006-07-13 02:36:10 CEST

Denny Valliant <valliant@unm.edu> wrote on 07/12/2006 08:06:26 PM:

> You know, I agree with Panagiotis in spirit- it would be swell if the
> two projects could merge. In practice though, I'm a little sad that
> subversive didn't just contribute to subclipse vs. starting a new
> project. I'm sure that the code is organized better when you do a
> ground-up re-write, it just would have been nice -and logical-, to
> refactor/whatnot subclipse. Subclipse is freaking SUPER active, great
> people, etc..

Brock has taken a look at their code, and he says it is the opposite. Even
though they have core and ui plugins, the code is mixed between the two
and it does not support things like headless operations because of this.

There is still plenty of time for the projects to merge. They are not
going to be able to base their product on JavaSVN without buying it from
Alex. They should bring their ideas and resources to our project and our
code base, like they should have all along.

> Did subversive/polarion(sp?) come to the subclipse community with a
> proposal I missed, prior to beginning development?

No. First I heard of them was when I saw their announcement. Sometime
after that, and after a lot of people asked about Subclipse, they sent
this list an email basically asking us to toss in the towel and join them.

> Also of concern is the fact that subversive appears to be a company,
> vs. a community- I haven't any type of feel for the community around
> subversive, and don't know what it's current state is- so I could be
> wrong, and it could be supported more by the community now, than the
> company- always what you want in an opensource project, if you ask me
> (just out of concern of a "single point" failure).
> I guess one of the things I'm interested in, if anyone knows (I'll goog
> around a bit in the future), is the state of the subversive community.

I think that they are ultimately about promoting their commercial Polarion
service. Several years ago they acquired the subversion.com domain, as
just one example.

> Is there anyone on-list working on both projects? Panagiotis?

Panagiotis seems to have moved over to their project.

> I think it's good that we're getting this proposal together, but I
> disagree with the mentality that it's a race for inclusion in Eclipse.

This is not a race. It was obvious about a year ago that this project
needed to head to Eclipse. It just did not make sense, in my opinion, to
do this before we reached a 1.0 status. Moving to Eclipse would have
slowed our progress and it would not have been fair to our users to stop
the progress we were making.

This project is at a great stage in its lifecycle to make this move and
that is why it is happening.


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