On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Stefan <luke1410_at_posteo.de> wrote:
> On 24/11/2017 12:25, Branko Čibej wrote:
>> On 24.11.2017 12:20, Johan Corveleyn wrote:
>>> At the hackathon we (me, Stefan Hett, Stefan Fuhrmann, Bert, Julian)
>>> discussed migrating our wiki from the current MoinMoin
>>> (wiki.apache.org/subversion) to the ASF Confluence instance
>>> (cwiki.apache.org). This has been discussed / tried before [1], but
>>> let's have another try.
>>>
>>> Motivation:
>>>
>>> * Make it possible to set up pages that anyone can edit, after
>>> creating an account without interaction with some administrator /
>>> moderator (in moinmoin, a new account needs to be activated by someone
>>> with admin privileges -- too much friction).
>>> - example that triggered this: let's keep a list of distributors /
>>> packagers, and a list of tool vendors / integrators -- would be nice
>>> if people could add themselves to such a page. Apart from that we want
>>> more people to contribute to all kinds of docs / design / discussion.
>>>
>>> * Faster editing / saving (moinmoin still has performance problems).
>>>
>>> * In general: making it easier and nicer for anyone to contribute,
>>> lowering barriers, ...
>>>
>>> * Additional benefit: user accounts are shared between the ASF JIRA
>>> and Confluence instances.
>>>
>>>
>>> How to do it?
>>> * Just copy / paste (or export / import) existing pages (keeping the
>>> last author or something), it's no must to keep history.
>>> * What about existing links to our pages? Can we let them redirect
>>> to the new pages?
>>> * We should ask around with other ASF projects that have done this.
>>>
>>>
>>> We still need to figure out some details on the "how", but regardless
>>> we feel we should really just go ahead and do this. I'm willing to
>>> spend some time on this myself (help is very welcome of course), if
>>> the community agrees.
>> The most important issues are:
>> * internal links between pages
>> * external links to pages
>>
>> Although if the latter works (with properly configured redirects), the
>> former should, too.
>>
>> But if this can't be guaranteed (and automated), you've just volunteered
>> to do the migration manually. :)
>>
>> -- Brane
>
> The number of pages in the wiki is quite manageable, and I'm more than
> willing to help with the migration process.
>
> Regarding redirects/links: Shouldn't be much an issue to simply set
> explicit redirects to the URLs one by one from the current wiki pages to
> the new locations inside Confluence.
>
> Setting the author of a page needs to be done in the DB directly though,
> so we need to check with Infra whether they'd do it for us (I assume atm
> we are talking roughly 20-50 pages so it's really not much work to
> create an sql-statement for them).
I've tried to get a list of all our current wiki pages. This search
gives 105 pages, but some can be ignored (some system pages, and the
"profile pages" of each user):
https://wiki.apache.org/subversion/FindPage?advancedsearch=1&and_terms=.&mtime=8+years+before&action=fullsearch
Instead of using this search (with mtime=8+years+before or somesuch,
i.e. fill in '8 years before', and a '.' for search terms, in
https://wiki.apache.org/subversion/FindPage), one can also list all
pages (https://wiki.apache.org/subversion/TitleIndex), but that gives
many more irrelevant pages, as it also includes help pages from
MoinMoin itself.
Since I like history (I'm interested in version control after all) I'd
like to try to import them into Confluence with history. There seems
to be a tool to export pages (optionally with history) from MoinMoin,
to convert them into something that can be fed to the "Universal Wiki
Converter" [1]. I'll read a bit more about that, and interface with
infra to see if we can give that a try.
Also, two INFRA jira tickets I found interesting:
* https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-7256 (Create Confluence
wiki for CouchDB) -- this one had a reference to the Wiki Converter
* https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-10942 (Moving Cassandra
wiki to confluence) -- this one mentioned "As for 302 the moin wiki
instance has the ability for you to redirect pages themselves", as
Stefan also suggested above.
[1] https://migrations.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/UWC/pages/1015848/UWC+MoinMoin+Notes
--
Johan
Received on 2017-12-01 17:08:18 CET