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RE: how to apply trademark symbols to Apache Subversion

From: Lawrence Rosen <lrosen_at_rosenlaw.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:38:55 -0800

Which trademarks are important here?

> * Apache(tm)
> * Subversion(r)
> * Apache Subversion ... ??

The TM and R symbols are appropriate for the first two, because they are by
far the most important marks referred to on that web page. Note that,
because the first two are ASF marks, therefore the combination of them is
also our mark. We would never tolerate some other company putting Apache and
Subversion together and creating their own mark for software!

I hope, at the bottom of that web page you will say, in words:

    Apache and Apache Subversion are trademarks, and Subversion is a
    registered trademark, of The Apache Software Foundation.

/Larry

P.S. How close are we to our registration of the "Apache" mark? Only after
that happens, we can change that TM to R, and modify the word notice -- if
we then want to take the time to do so.

/Larry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Stein [mailto:gstein_at_gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:36 AM
> To: C. Michael Pilato
> Cc: legal-discuss_at_apache.org; trademarks_at_apache.org;
> dev_at_subversion.apache.org
> Subject: Re: how to apply trademark symbols to Apache Subversion
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 09:08, C. Michael Pilato <cmpilato_at_collab.net>
> wrote:
> > On 11/17/2010 08:56 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
> >> Hi Legal peeps,
> >>
> >> The Subversion community updated the website to conform to the new
> >> guidelines, but we have a question on how to apply the appropriate
> >> trademark symbols. The guideline says to put a (tm) at the end of
> the
> >> first use of "Apache Subversion", however, "Subversion" (alone) is a
> >> *registered* trademark. Should we just put an (r) after the first
> use
> >> of Subversion and leave it at that? And if that first use is "Apache
> >> Subversion(r)", would that still be fine? Maybe we should put an (r)
> >> after the first "Apache Subversion" and the first "Subversion" to
> >> clarify what is registered?
> >
> > I would expected that the common practice would be to, for the first
> use of
> > "Apache Subversion", display as "Apache(tm) Subversion(r)".
>
> Well, we have three terms/phrases in play here:
>
> * Apache(tm)
> * Subversion(r)
> * Apache Subversion ... ??
>
> The first two are easy. But we also want to reserve "Apache
> Subversion", much like we have "Apache Tomcat(tm)" (where the (tm) is
> implied for the two-word phrase)
>
> Cheers,
> -g
>
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