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Re: Lose users? -- was: Re: Update on my previous tree conflict scenario

From: Neels J. Hofmeyr <neels_at_elego.de>
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:59:33 +0100

Greg Stein wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Neels J. Hofmeyr <neels_at_elego.de> wrote:
>> Greg Stein wrote:
>>> Personally, I would give the tree conflict folks until first/second
>>> week of January (i.e. just post-break) to wrap their work. And by
>>> "wrap", I mean finish or cut. I think it is TOTALLY acceptable for us
>>> to ship 1.6 in a Jan/Feb timeframe, so I'm more than willing to give
>>> them the *proper* time to get the work done and make it solid. I fear
>>> that putting this feature "under the gun" will be a bad outcome for
>>> everybody. It also seems to be reasonable/close enough that we can
>>> take a month or two to get it wrapped (or cut, worst case).
>> When you say EOY, then that's a whole new story. I was expecting the
>> branching to take place tomorrow-ish, us handing in patches onto the branch
>> and having to release before christmas. If we can carry on developing "on
>> trunk" until christmas, I think that we'll have sufficient tree-conflicts
>> usability for a release. Tree-conflicts folks, do you agree?
> Note that that is only my opinion. You've gotta convince others to go
> that long :-)

Yes, everyone else, note that I am until now only asking tree-conflicts
folks if they have the same impression that I have about how much time would
be needed, so that you guys out there can have opinions on it.

> Further, I'm good with that only when knowing "what is left? how do we
> cut if necessary?" types of questions. In other words, it isn't an
> open-ended ticket to churn :-) Some kind of feature description of
> what is in/out is still needed -- do you guys really have a handle on
> this? Or are we going to continue to bumble along until one day it is
> called "done".
> I don't really care about the "hard" December date. A month or two is
> fine. We want good, and we want stable. Hard rules tend to work
> against those goals.

In my hacking career so far, I've only ever seen a single deadline being
*made*. A prof of mine once said that engineers are usually off their own
deadline estimates by a factor of three. I can relate to that. :P

Ok, let's give the other tree-conflicts folks some time to respond before we
start rolling out any more conditional replies. Steve? Julian? It seems
you've got a bigger picture of tree-conflicts than I do.


Received on 2008-11-16 06:59:53 CET

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