Yes, it's much clearer now, thanks Julian and C.Michael.
Julian Foad wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 16:00 +0200, "Andrés G. Aragoneses" wrote:
>> Julian Foad wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 10:40 +0200, "Andrés G. Aragoneses" wrote:
>>>> Karl Fogel wrote:
>>>>> I'm not sure it makes sense for us to link to every IDE that has
>>>>> Subversion support, since huge numbers of them do these days. Instead,
>>>> I am not going to argue about this: you have the policies that you want.
>>>> But the only thing I would say is: if you don't include MonoDevelop,
>>>> please drop also NetBeans, JDeveloper, etc. (just for consistency).
>>> You are right, of course, Andrés. Thank you for saying it politely. This
>>> decision was bound to come up sooner or later as support for Subversion
>>> becomes more widespread, and it just happened to come up now.
>>> I have removed those, and one called "Eric", in r31710. The JDeveloper
>>> entry did contain a link named "Subversion plugin" but the linked page
>>> didn't mention it, so it's not clear what its status is. If there still
>>> is a separate plug-in it would be perfectly fine for somebody to
>>> reinstate a link to it. (The entry was worded too much like an advert
>>> for me to have much sympathy with it :-) .)
>>> I have also split up the section (in r31711) into four smaller
>>> categories to make it easier to find the links one is interested in.
>> Thanks for your answer Julian
>> One last thing to discuss: it seems not clear yet for me, upon your and
>> Karl's statements, the policy about the inclusion, given that they are a
>> bit contradictory: Karl argues about not accepting programs that have
>> SVN support (we could define them as anyone who calls svn client API,
>> right?) but you seem more focused on having just a "module" for a
>> program which is a client.
> No, the point is not whether a program calls the API nor whether it is a
> "module". The point is whether a user needs our help to find the
> Here's what Karl said:
>> I'm not sure it makes sense for us to link to every IDE that has
>> Subversion support, since huge numbers of them do these days.
>> we should link to Subversion-specific clients that a user might not
>> otherwise have as part of their development environment.
> And here's a note that I wrote in "links.html" in r31711 at the top of
> the new "IDE plug-ins" section
>> Many Integrated Development Environments support Subversion either
>> natively or through a provided plug-in. This section aims to list IDE
>> plug-ins that are not provided with the IDE.
> Does that help to answer your question?
> We _could_ also have a section that lists IDEs (and other software) that
> have support for Subversion and says how that support is provided: built
> in, through a plug-in module that is provided with the program, and/or
> through plug-in modules that are available from separate sources. We
> don't currently have a list like this, but if someone would like to
> write one I wouldn't mind.
>> Regarding your opinion, and not Karl's, MonoDevelop could also be
>> included because:
>> - It's based on add-ins (more or less the same as plugins).
>> - It has a VersionControl add-in .
>> - It has a Subversion add-in , which depends on the former.
> I haven't looked closely, but it appears to me that the plug-in is
> included with the IDE and is therefore not something that a user would
> need to go looking for. Like Karl said about meals and aeroplanes, a
> user is not likely to want a whole new IDE just to get Subversion
> support, and if they already have the IDE then they don't need our help
> in finding the Subversion support in it.
> I hope that makes sense.
> - Julian
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