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Re: logging: are we there yet?

From: Branko Čibej <brane_at_xbc.nu>
Date: 2005-07-28 03:56:25 CEST

Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote:

>>>> Nobody has complained about Apache logging to its specific files.
>>>> Simple
>>>> file-logging has several advantages: Logs are the same cross-platform,
>>>> and Subversion is heavily cross-platform. Tools can be written to
>>>> accesss them, process them and give statistics. Of course, it should
>>>> still be posible to configure the logging system to send logs above a
>>>> certain priority to the system log.
>>>> What do you think?
>>> I definitely agree with Nicolás that logging should not be platform
>>> specific by tying it down as win32 events or Unix syslogd. In the
>>> spirit of Subversion's cross platform design, I see no problem logging
>>> to the file system (In fact, I think it's more flexible).
>>> External tools can then be written by those who desire it, to capture
>>> this information and record them as win32 or syslogd events to be
>>> captured.
>>> Using the OS's facilities to perform the logging function would only
>>> serve to hinder subversion's cross platform endeavors and make it more
>>> difficult for those who want to access that info programmatically using
>>> the OS's logging capabilities as opposed to simply interpreting log
>>> files.
>> Oh crap.
>> We use the OS facilities for everything else, starting with file
>> manipulation. What's more, SVN's definition of "portable" includes
>> "behaves like a native application". And that definitely means we
>> should know how to use the platform's native logging facility.
> No, that's completely crap. In your opinion, neither Apache, Exim nor
> Squid, which I'm running here in Linux buxes, are native applications.
> In your not-very-nice way of talking: Bullshit!

Why don't you read what I wrote? Your reply is totally orthogonal to
what I said.

BTW, Apache for example can use syslog on Unix and the event log on
Windows. So even if I had said what you imply, your list is a bit imprecise.

But all that aside: we've been through this discussion at least twice in
the last several weeks. Ben has come up with a proposal that seems to be
acceptabe to most people. You countered with a tirade that a) ignores
all previous discussions, b) is not very constructive, and c) is not
even accurate.

-- Brane

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