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Re: SmartSVN - a new Subversion client.

From: Martin Tomes <lists_at_tomes.org>
Date: 2005-02-24 10:41:26 CET

Brian Behlendorf wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Feb 2005 kfogel@collab.net wrote:
>> Brian Behlendorf <brian@collab.net> writes:
>>> Any particular reason you are using the "SVN" abbreviation in the name
>>> of a product that isn't part of the Subversion project, or even open
>>> source?
>>> I guess the rest of us will keep using "DumbSVN"...
>> Marc, just to clarify:
>> I think what Brian's objecting to is not the mere presence of the
>> string "SVN" in your product's name.
> The point made last week about thinking about _Crossing the Chasm_ and
> thinking about the "whole product" resonated deeply with me.

You gave Apache as an example and I think Subversion could learn from

The current structure of the Subversion web presence is as a project
among many other projects in the tigris system, and it is collab.net
branded. I know projects are grouped but it doesn't hit you in the face.

If you visit apache.org you don't arrive at the web server page with
links to other projects, you end up at a 'whole product' site and the
http server is a part of it. It is also Apache branded.

If you want to promote the whole Subversion ecosystem then you need to
present it in a coherent way. I have tried to make a start with my Wiki
at www.subversionary.org but my attempts so far are woefully inadequate
because of a lack of time. I see Karl owns the subversion.org domain,
making good use of this would help enormously.

On a similar note my personal opinion is that the TortoiseSVN and
Subversion teams should work together to provide a single binary
download for the Windows platform. Like it or not the Windows platform
will be the major client for Subversion and making it simple to install
and maintain on that platform will help promote Subversion more than
anything else. Also, Subversion on Windows *is* TortoiseSVN for most
users, I am a command line type of person and I rarely use the command
line client on Windows. In fact I can't remember the last time I used
it on Windows.

Perhaps once version 1.2 is out the core developers could devote a few
hours to working out how some of this could be achieved, it would be
time well spent. Certain large software companies have proved that it's
marketing which gets your software used and not quality, Subversion
could have both!

Meanwhile there's always my Wiki;-)

Martin Tomes
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