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Re: A real world user's impression of Subversion

From: B. W. Fitzpatrick <fitz_at_red-bean.com>
Date: 2003-07-31 16:43:30 CEST

Garrett Rooney <rooneg@electricjellyfish.net> writes:
> So I've been reading the Ponie (the project to port perl5 to the parrot
> VM) mailing lists, since they're trying out Subversion, and it seems
> that they've not had the best time with it so far.


> ------------
> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:36:29 +0100
> Subject: Subversion
> From: Arthur Bergman <arthur@fotango.com>
> To: ponie-dev@perl.org
> Hi,
> I think I can conclude my attempt to use subversion as

Lovely figlet art removed...

> First of all, checking out parrot using subversion takes at least 4
> time slonger than CVS

Yes. Subversion is ALPHA software--that is to say, it's not finished
yet. Expect some rough edges.
> Doing a vendor checkin brining up parrot to latest version is a major
> pain the arse. The process alone of running svn_load_dirs takes around
> an hour, and then I have to tag it (because if you tell svn_load_dirs
> to tag things automatically it breaks).

Sounds like a bug in svn_load_dirs... was it reported?

> It also seems not to have changed some stuff when other stuff has
> changed!
> (http://svn.perl.org/ponie/vendor/parrot/current/config/auto/gcc.pl
> is one file that should have been updated).

Sounds like a bug in svn_load_dirs... was it reported?
> Committing two files took 1 minute 22 second yesterday, a checkout is
> extremely painfully slow. I am very close to saying it is a failed
> experiment and either go to p4 or cvs for the time being.
> A very angry Arthur who has spent far too much time battling an
> substandard versioning system. (which might be theoretically very nice,
> but does not scale)

You know, it's not like dev@subversion is an unfriendly mailing list
that tells people who have real problems with Subversion to just go
sod off--it's a very responsive list. Why haven't we heard *anything*
from these people? I don't recall seeing anything in issue tracker
from them... I don't recall seeing a post to dev@subversion from
these guys.

I'm not arguing that Arthur is *wrong*... but as Larry Wall said at
USENIX a few years ago:

       "It's not us against you... it's just... *us*!"


Brian W. Fitzpatrick    <fitz_at_red-bean.com>   http://www.red-bean.com/fitz/
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