Holy smokes my typing is bad...sorry for all the typos.  I should go 
back to bed.
Bruce Elrick wrote:
> I know R/3 does table copies within the database (as opposed to dump & 
> load).  That is, copy current table to temporary, drop original, 
> rebuild table with new properties, copy from temporary to new, drop 
> temporary.  Obviously the last portion must application/business 
> contain logic.
must contain application/business logic.
>   If the table changes are simple (add a field that is allowed to be 
> null) and the RDBMS allows it, you make be able to simply change the 
> table in situ.  
may be able to
> However, even such a simple change may be procluded if having a large 
> number of the old records with nulls in the new field makes the 
> application less useful.
precluded
> For example, you might actually have to run a data cleansing project 
> where you get humans to go through that data and provide values for 
> the new field on a record-by-record basis.  Maybe you can do that 
> before the code upgrade, maybe you can do it after.
> In terms of whether it is practical, I don't think it really matters: 
> it is necessary.  If anything stops you from doing it, then you can't 
> change upgrade/change, full stop.
>
> Cheers...
> Bruce
>
> Daniel Patterson wrote:
>
>> Greetings all,
>>
>>  I'm looking for advice on the best practises for configuration
>>  management of stateful data.
>>
>>  This situation comes up in a few different places, but the
>>  best example (and the one I have right now) are database
>>  schema changes between software releases.
>>
>>  For stateless portions of the system (i.e. the application
>>  code), it's easy to overwrite, or drop/replace (in the case
>>  of database stored procedures).  However, stateful portions
>>  (i.e. database tables with data in them, configuration files,
>>   any other stateful information that may undergo a schema change),
>>  the usual configuration management procedures don't apply.
>>  You can't drop 12 months of data from your database because
>>  you need to rename a relational table....
>>
>>  A bit of searching around on google didn't reveal anything,
>>  but it's hard to know if I'm searching for the wrong thing or
>>  if nothing really exists.
>>
>>  I've thought a bit about the process that Subversion takes
>>  (a dump into a known format followed by a reload), but in
>>  our situation, building a tool like that is impractical.
>>
>>  Has anyone done any deep thinking about this topic and come
>>  up with any good patterns to follow?
>>
>> daniel
>>  
>>
>
>
>
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