--- "Ketil Z. Malde" <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> Noel Yap <email@example.com> writes:
> > A good portion of the build breakage is due to
> developers forgetting
> > to checkin a file, most likely a new file they
> forgot to add to begin
> > with.
> This happened a lot when we were using VSS, where
> everything is
> file-based. I don't have the same kind of
> experience with SVN/CVS,
> but it seems using top-level update/status/commit
> eliminates most of
We're using CVS. I believe the bottom line is that in
our environment, developers aren't properly trained in
development processes or, rather, there aren't any
established corporate development processes to be
trained on :-(
> The flip side of the coin is that when you start
> modifying a file,
> VS/VSS will check out the latest file from the
> repository, which may
> not match the rest of your files, possibly (i.e.
> quite often) breaking
That's crazy. I've been lucky enough not to have used
> The lockless model prevents this (although you
> eventually will have to
> do the merge, of course).
I have almost no argument here. I think having an
advisory locking mechanism (<blatant-plug
off-topic="true">see the CVS patch available on
SourceForge under project RCVS </blatant-plug>) will
give more control for those shops that want it.
> > Part of our problem is that the code base is so
> large that any build
> > break is a large build break
> Regardless, the smaller the checkin is, the easier
> it is to point at
> the bug. (But, yeah, it does sound like you have a
> process problem,
> not a technical one.)
I was unclear with my prior post. What I had meant
was that the product is so large that what really is a
simple breakage isn't so simple when it's broken
within the 99% of the product which is unfamiliar.
The problem stills boils down to process, though.
IMHO, our one product should be broken down into
several products each with its own release cycle --
build breakages would be taken care of by the
developers of the subproduct before it gets released.
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Received on Tue Dec 10 16:07:35 2002