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Re: [PATCH] Unify human represented timestamp formats.

From: Karl Fogel <kfogel_at_newton.ch.collab.net>
Date: 2002-06-22 21:44:26 CEST

"Bill Tutt" <rassilon@lyra.org> writes:
> Err, (IIRC) the reason Nuutti's suggesting one and only one format is
> because this realease (1.0) isn't focused on il8n. The format he
> suggested isn't going to make everybody happy, but it's (IIRC) better
> than what we have.

I certainly don't think it's better than what we have -- it's worse.

"svn log" used to print the weekday name; with this change, it
doesn't. That's bad. I depend on that weekday name all the time,
surely I can't be the only one. That output is substantially less
useable without the name.

> Certainly to store the data this way in BDB makes
> eminent sense. Storing weekday information is useless, that can be
> easily calculated. (Esp. if the weekday needs to get converted into a
> non-Gregorian calendar like the Hebrew calendar.)

Sure, there's no need to store the weekday name, completely agree.

> What needs to happen later is that SVN needs to suck in as many OS
> specific data about what the end user's date/time formatting preferences
> are and use those. Sounds like a job for APR if you ask me.

Yes, we should do that. But in the absence of environmental clues, we
should default to the most useable possible format.

   <mantra>
   Giving the user the ability to customize doesn't absolve us from
   the responsibility of choosing good defaults for the non-customized
   case.
   </mantra>

:-)

If it's a matter of disagreement over whether the weekday name and/or
month name makes the format more useable, that's fine. But I don't
know (or don't *think* I know) anyone who prefers not to have those
words when eye-parsing a date. They're so dang helpful. If we lose
them, we're simply getting worse, IMHO.

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