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Re: APR-UTIL package build

From: Greg Stein <gstein_at_lyra.org>
Date: 2002-02-02 03:50:03 CET

On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 08:10:42PM -0600, David Summers wrote:
> Now as of last night, the RPM build is broken because of the APR-UTIL
> requirement and I'm just trying to figure out the best way to get
> everything to compile and link. I'm wondering if it might be possible to
> export the APR-UTIL development environment as a part of the apache-devel
> package because it already has both APR and APR-UTIL, or wondering if it
> is possible to build a package that combines the APR and APR-UTIL
> development environments. If I could export APR and APR-UTIL from apache
> then that would mean one less package required for subversion.
> I was able to build APR as a separate package, but I've not figured out
> how to do that with APR-UTIL.
> Just trying to examine all the options. I could build it in to subversion
> if I have to but that seems icky from a package management point of view,
> unless I have no other choice.
> Anyone have any ideas?

APRUTIL should definitely be a separate package -- that is the intent.

The question then becomes, can it?

Since SVN has just become one of the first few users of a APRUTIL as a
distinct entity, then it is fair to say that we have a bit of work to get
things straightened out entirely. While APRUTIL has always been intended as
a separate package, and work was done towards that goal... I don't know how
much testing of that goal was performed :-)

I believe Justin uses APRUTIL as part of the "flood" tool, so it definitely
works to an extent.

In particular, I know there are some issues with aprutil exporting where it
found Expat. There are the bigger issues of its reliance on APR for its
build system. That then falls back to APR and it needing to install that
build system for others to use.

In particular, I plan to make APR install an additional directory:


In there would be the rules.mk, libtool script, etc, which APRUTIL depends
upon (and other apps, such as httpd, could as well).

In turn, this means your RPM would also want to install that directory and
publish those files.

I'm hoping to get to this *late* tonite. Was gonna last night, but my time
disappeared (sigh).

One of your short-term problems is what to do with the RPMs. Unfortunately,
you cannot build APRUTIL inside of Subversion, and leave APR outside. There
is a nasty dependency in APRUTIL that depends upon APR being located at
../apr/. If SVN finds APRUTIL "outside", then it simply assumes that it was
able to compile/build itself *somehow* -- it simply isn't SVN's problem.

So... if anything, your short term solution would be to build two binary
packages from the same source package. Have APR and APRUTIL in the source
package, located (properly) relative to each other. Produce two binary
packages from that. (which I believe is possible?)


Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/
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