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Re: Volunteer for command-line work

From: Matthew Braithwaite <matt_at_braithwaite.net>
Date: 2000-10-17 01:23:21 CEST

On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 03:56:00PM -0500, Karl Fogel wrote:
>
> I think Bruce Korb, Lefty Burgess, and Brian Fitzpatrick are coming up
> with a written spec for the command-line client at the moment.

I saw a reference to that -- is this process happening in private e-mail,
or on a separate list?

> To all four: do you know at this point how much time are each of you
> will be able to devote to this right now?

Just weekends and evenings, for now.

> > Gee, I sure wish I could post to this mailing list without having to use
> > `sendmail -f'. Nothing like getting brutally fucked by ezmlm to start
> > your day off right. Grr.
>
> Um, if you want to describe what happened in technical detail, I'd be
> happy to fix it :-).

The problem is that ezmlm subscribes you using the envelope sender address.
With sendmail (or Postfix, in my case), the envelope sender is derived from
your login name -- send mail logged in as `mab', and the mail goes out as
`mab'.

So people who like to use a separate address for lists, such as
mab+subversion-dev, are screwed, because all MUAs I've used don't bother
to set the envelope sender to the From: address explicitly, using sendmail
-f. For just about everything but ezmlm, this works fine, because (say)
Majordomo pays attention to your From: address, not the envelope sender.

By enormously staggering coincidence, ezmlm happens to work fine if you
are using qmail, because qmail-inject sets the envelope sender to the
From: address by default (or maybe it's Return-Path: -- whatever, the
point is that you can control the envelope sender using a header, not just
with a command-line flag, which is very winning).

So, if you are using qmail, ezmlm works great. Otherwise you are the victim
of YA Dan Bernstein connector conspiracy. (It's not that there's anything
wrong with his design, just that it ignores the needs of the non-qmail-using
world.) I don't know what to suggest for a fix, since I've never used
ezmlm, but if I'm the only one who cars I wouldn't waste time on it. If I
can post with an envelope of <matt@braithwaite.net>, that works fine for me.

> This is a semi-moderated list, although fortunately once a moderator
> approves someone's post, the sender is ever after able to post from
> that address. Or at least, that's the theory; I'm not sure if it
> always works like that in practice.

We'll see, if this message goes through -- since as near as I can figure
somebody approved the ``subscribe'' message I stupidly send to dev.
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