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Re: RE: RE: Once more: Subversion and file modification time (mtime)

From: Robin Cover <robincover_at_gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:37:52 -0500

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Reedick, Andrew <jr9445_at_att.com> wrote:
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> Uhm, there are 510 http links in a 5,353 line post.

I agree that a document of this length without internal hyperlinks
is difficult to use. If I improved the structure and internal
linking in the form of an HTML document, is there an obvious
venue for publication on one of the Subversion-affiliated web sites?
The "Posting Guidelines" ask that users NOT send email in HTML format:
   "Don't post HTML mails, RichText mails..."
http://subversion.tigris.org/mailing-list-guidelines.html

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> Let's talk marketing:
> A design proposal, which may or may not be current, starts on
> line 4,204. The link to the design doc is "AWOL". It would be spiffy
> to have an up to date 'design proposal' link at the start of the post,
> with the words "Design Proposal".

The most recent complete design proposal I found (I think) was that
of Erik Huelsmann (dated 2006-09-16), available here:
http://svn.haxx.se/dev/archive-2006-09/0492.shtml

However, I may be mistaken on that point. The content in the
documents referenced by "510 http links" is confusing to me because
I don't know the principals, and don't know who's likely speaking for
the CollabNet core developers, or for other groups who likely hold
real authority to support the design and implementation proposals.

For example, as of 2005-06-28, Ben Collins-Sussman was of the
conviction that 'mtime' support was unnecessary. A lot of additional
design work and use case writing has happened in the meantime, so
perhaps he and others now have warmer feelings -- but how would
we know?
   "Some of us (like me) think the feature is unnecessary"
   http://svn.haxx.se/dev/archive-2005-06/0997.shtml

> Having to dig through 5k lines and
> 500 web links isn't a great way to market this. Not to disparage
> Robin's efforts in collecting the information, but it desperately needs
> an executive summary.

I can try to write one, but my first goal was simply to get the relevant
data in front of community leaders who care about the topic and are
in a position to take technical leadership. I am not that person.

>
> Torches and pitchforks:
> What's the next step? What does Robin need from us to get this
> feature into Subversion? Do we ping Collabnet or someone else? No one
> takes a mob seriously until it shows up at their front door.

It's not clear to me what the cultural principles are -- and indeed,
whether the accumulated evidence to date suggests that a "mob" effort
will be the only way to get action by CollabNet, against their wishes.
Maybe it's more economical to take the use case descriptions to
other development efforts (e.g., Mercurial).

Thanks to anyone who's more a part of this developer community who
can help take a leadership role.

Robin

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