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Re: Very large rev files

From: Rick Yorgason <rick_at_ldagames.com>
Date: 2007-03-22 01:48:40 CET

Ryan Schmidt wrote:
> I assume this is because Subversion does not necessarily delta against
> the immediately previous revision. See this document describing
> "skip-deltas":
>
> http://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/trunk/notes/skip-deltas

Okay, but wouldn't that imply that at least *some* of the revs would
have ideal file sizes?

Here's the sizes of all the revs that this file this file touches in a
real-world repository. In most of these cases, (*all* of the cases that
are 37/38M) the commit contains this 55M file, with 20 files that are 1M
big, and no other files.

Because of the data set these extra 20 files should also delta compress
exceedingly well (they're 512x512 uncompressed R8G8B8A8 images,
containing greyscale data which is mostly white, and completely white
for the last two thirds of the file, in every revision). However, even
if you subtract 20M from each of these revisions, almost all of them are
still much larger than the ideal size.

By the explanation provided in the notes on skip-deltas, you would
expect there to be a wide variety of file sizes that are logarithmically
smaller, with every odd-numbered one being ideal (with a delta that's
less than 1M), but you clearly don't see that.

The few that are closer to ideal are r2011, r2091, and r2143. If it
matters at all, these three revisions happened when we still used
svnserve instead of Apache (those are all dated 'Nov 1' because I dumped
and reloaded the repository for some reason or other). All the other
small revs are lazy copies.

For interest case, revs 1 2 and 3 in my last email were created from
revs 5682 5691 and 5700 in the real-world repository.

> Administrator@bender /cygdrive/e/Server/SVN/db/revs
> $ ls -lh `svn log -q file:///e:/Server/SVN/Hegemony/trunk/Release/Resources/Data/Greece_Full.map | grep -v '^-' | sed 's/r\([0-9]*\).*/\1/' | tr '\n' ' '`
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-Rick-

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