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RE: [PATCH] Make svn clients indicate their operation name to backend(right now only to DAV)

From: Julian Foad <julianfoad_at_btopenworld.com>
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:05:41 +0000

Kamesh,

Can you explain your strategy for fixing the original "commit via
outdated proxy" issue, and why this change is part of that strategy?
Something about this approach doesn't feel right to me, as I don't see
how a single word can accurately convey the proxy semantics of a
high-level command. I am wondering whether it is even possible to make
the proxy do what you want without having total control over the
clients.

(And if you do want to make some APIs take a "high-level operation" text
field, you need to specify what values are allowed and required - e.g.
does it have to be one of a fixed set of values, or any restrictions on
the length and what characters can be used, and whether the value has to
be known by the server, etc.)

- Julian

Bert Huijben wrote:
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kamesh Jayachandran [mailto:kamesh_at_collab.net]
> > Sent: woensdag 6 januari 2010 14:00
> > To: dev_at_subversion.apache.org
> > Subject: [PATCH] Make svn clients indicate their operation name to
> > backend(right now only to DAV)
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > This patch is with respect to the original thread
> >
> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/subversion-
> > dev/201001.mbox/browser
> >
> > Once this patch gets committed I can commit the mod_dav_svn change to
> > handle the original commit via outdated proxy issue.
> >
> > This Patch revs the following public APIs,
> >
> > 'svn_client_uuid_from_url', 'svn_client_open_ra_session' and
> > 'svn_ra_open3'.
>
> I have a few high level questions about this patch:
>
> Why do you rev svn_client_uuid_from_url?
>
> I would think that that function is a high level API, so it would be an
> operation by itself.
>
> (looking at svn_client.h) What should I put in there as client that just
> needs the uuid or verify that the repository exists?
>
> "checking-uuid-for-visualization-to-my-great-users"?
>
> I don't think we should rev the svn_client_ API for this specific change
> here; especially since older clients will not pass anything anyway.
> libsvn_client should fill that high level operation for library users or the
> value is of no use on the server.
>
> And it should never be forwarded to master servers as the uuid is supposed
> to be constant per repository.
>
> (BTW. the api is new in 1.7, so it needs no revving at all)
>
>
> Then on to the rest of the patch:
> > For ra_neon and ra_serf layers it sets the http client header SVN-ACTION
> > with the concerned svn command name.
> >
> If the operation is a plain string that can be set by any future client, how
> is the server to understand what the user wants? How can the server
> understand a new 'shelve' command we might add in Subversion 1.9?
>
> mod_dav_svn only knows RA operations and doesn't understand high level
> commands; we would have to add this knowledge.
>
>
> Shouldn't the individual RA operations tell whether the user needs access to
> the master or the slave?
>
> Thinking a bit further about that last issue... What if the session is
> reused for e.g. requests like 'svn info', 'svn update' and then a 'svn
> commit'.
> Our standard client libsvn_client can't do this, but other clients can
> certainly do that.
>
> There is nothing in the ra api that forbids using it that way, but just
> specifying a high level operation at open time doesn't tell enough about
> what the clients application intent is.
>
> Maybe we should just add a boolean to requests indicating whether to forward
> to a master? That seems like a much simpler solution, that we could possibly
> port back to older subversion releases.
>
> Bert
>
> > With & Without this patch mergeinfo_test-8 fails both over ra_neon and
> > ra_serf.
> >
> > If there are no objections I will commit this change in next 2 days.
> >
> > With regards
> > Kamesh Jayachandran
>
Received on 2010-01-06 15:06:23 CET

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