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Re: when is Flag Day for mailing lists?

From: Hyrum K. Wright <hyrum_at_hyrumwright.org>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:29:51 -0600

On Nov 16, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Mark Phippard wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Hyrum K. Wright <hyrum_at_hyrumwright.org> wrote:
>> On Nov 16, 2009, at 6:57 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 07:49, Bhuvaneswaran A <bhuvan_at_collab.net> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 07:36 -0500, Greg Stein wrote:
>>>>> I think we need to establish a "flag day" for when we definitively
>>>>> stop sending mail here (and other s.t.o lists), and switch to the
>>>>> s.a.o lists.
>>>>>
>>>>> How about Wednesday 18th, 00:01. That gives us a couple days to set up
>>>>> notifications and filters and whatever else people need to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> (note that commits are now being sent to
>>>>> commits_at_subversion.apache.org, so you could already be switching to
>>>>> that)
>>>>
>>>> Existing subscribers in s.t.o lists will be subscribed to corresponding
>>>> lists in s.a.o automatically, right? I assume, yes.
>>>
>>> Nope. Those people have not explicitly given consent for their email
>>> addresses to be used anywhere other than @s.t.o.
>>>
>>> People will need to subscribe themselves to the new lists.
>>
>> Have you announced this to users_at_s.t.o? Will we start bouncing mail to the old lists to encourage people to migrate? How do you plan to
>> not fracture the community?
>
> For the users@ list I think we should give weeks of notice not hours.
> I think we should announce the availability of these lists immediately
> and ask dev@ and users@ to switch over ASAP. At the same time
> announce a date for each list when we will make it read-only or do
> whatever it is we are going to do.

I just sent mail to users@ telling folks about the new list, how to subscribe and the fact that they won't be automatically migrated. I did not commit to a specific drop dead date for the existing list, but did promise more information as it becomes available.

> I am all in favor of pointing people at the new lists right away. I
> just think it ought to include some reminders before we do anything on
> tigris.

This is all well and good but there are some people who won't move their subscription over until they start getting bounce messages indicating the old list is dead, and they need to go to the new list. I don't think we need to wait very long before we start bouncing stuff to users@. Why prolong the pain?

-Hyrum

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