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Re: [RFC] source repository at Apache

From: Stefan Sperling <stsp_at_elego.de>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:30:59 +0100

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 08:00:56PM +0100, Fabien Coelho wrote:
> Dear Stefan,
>
> > So? It's all recorded in history, if necessary in read-only clones
> > of the old repository.
>
> The history, the file contents, the paths, the bug reports, the archived
> mails, all refer to this history. If you recreate a new history, it is
> still a history, but all these reference are dead or have to be fixed, so
> it is much less useful to have them.

Why are they dead? They simply refer to the original line of
history of Subversion at svn.tigris.org.

> > There's projects that migrate to different version control tools,
> > and when they do this, they hit the same class of problems as you
> > are pointing out, just worse.
>
> Sure, it could be much worse. I do not see that as a good argument to
> accept a pain that could be fully avoided.

Sure, it's not a good argument for moving into the ASF mother
repository, but it's not meant to be. Good arguments have already been
stated by others. I just meant to put things into perspective.

> A migration is being planned, which could limit its effect to moving the
> repos from one server to another, and as we're not changing the tool it
> could be pretty painless.
>
> Instead of that, it is going to be a full renumbering, possibly some
> renaming, and breaking every reference inside and outside of the project,
> for an added value which is still eluding me.

The arguments for moving into the mother repo have been stated,
so I'm not gonna repeat them here. But I seem to observe that people
who favour moving into the mother repo show a tendency of evaluating
the arguments by looking forward into the future and see the benefits
the mother repo will bring, while you seem to be more focused on preserving
the past. Both approaches are valid, just different points of view.

> Note that you do not have to convince me, I'm just a partial citizen.

For the record, I am simply gonna go with whatever people decide upon.
I'm not gonna argue about mother-repo or not. I'm simply not bothered
enough to care because I know I won't have to do any of the hard work :-P
So I don't want to convince you or anyone else one way or another.

The move to the ASF is happening and many people have been waiting for
it to happen for many years. Any inconveniences we are now facing due
to the move could have been overcome years ago, but it took the community
a long time to get to the point of being able to announce "we're moving
to the ASF _now_". If that had happened years ago, nobody would care today
about little inconveniences such as revision number changes people had to
endure during the migration. So the migration will happen, and it will
cause some temporary disruption, but life will go on.

Stefan

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