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Re: Checking for consensus about creation of svn-pt_br@red-bean.com

From: Max Bowsher <maxb1_at_ukf.net>
Date: 2005-11-25 21:50:06 CET

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kfogel@collab.net wrote:
> Max Bowsher <maxb1@ukf.net> writes:
>
>>I am also extremely reluctant to force anyone into using the tigris.org
>>mail archiver and moderation software, when a friendlier alternative
>>(Mailman) is available.
>
>
> Mailman doesn't offer a purely email-based moderation mechanism, does
> it?

This is true. However, a the concept of a purely email-based moderation
mechanism has suffers from drawbacks that make this not a disadvantage.

* If a list is moderated by multiple moderators, then all moderators end
up having to make decisions about all mails, because there is no
feasible way to communicate that a message has been handled by another
moderator.

* It is far, far easier to clear out multiple spam messages by reviewing
a single summary webpage, then clicking a 'discard all' button, than it
is to individually inspect multiple mail messages.

> And its default archiver, the one we're using on Red Bean, is
> IMHO not as good as those at tigris.org...

I have to disagree with this point. The tigris.org archiver suffers from
painfully slow page load times, an inability to display messages in a
way which shows the nested structure of a thread, and an inability to
show messages sorted by date, grouped by thread.

I will agree that Mailman's builtin archiver is not the best, but I find
it to be better than what tigris.org offers, and I am able and willing
to install a better archiver on red-bean.com if desired.

> Are we sure it's doing anyone a favor to run a list at Red Bean rather
> than tigris? I'd rather deal with tigris, personally.

I have difficulty refuting this assersion, because I have difficulty
comprehending how anyone could prefer tigris :-/

>>My ONLY hesitation in this matter is that this means that the pt_BR list
>>will be living in a different domain to the es, ru, and fr lists.
>>Though, we could certainly solve that by moving those to red-bean too.
>>
>>Opinions desired.
>>I'll be creating the list today if no-one screams very loudly.
>
> I kind of think the list should be at tigris, because it's not really
> technically worse (see above),

I cannot agree that it is not technically worse.

> and that way the list would be visible
> right next to the analogous lists for other languages. Consistency is
> good.

To this, I agree, but not when consistency requires significant other
sacrifices.

I would suggest attempting to restore consistency by offering the
localization mailing lists currently hosted at subversion.tigris.org the
opportunity to move.

Max.

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