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Jim, I couldn't agree more.
The unifying theme of the editor is tree transformation, implemented
via baton swapping and the depth-first guarantee. We're free to do
other stuff, as long as we don't interfere with that central editor
functionality. And the batons are the perfect mechanism for this --
opaque thingamajigs onto which one can hang more functionality as
Also agree about the need for a generic editor constructor, so real
providers don't have to worry about the things they don't implement,
and don't know the structure ordering. I've added that to the stack,
and will do it along with the other editor changes.
Jim Blandy <email@example.com> writes:
> At the meeting in Chicago, we talked a lot about the editor functions
> (svn_delta_edit_fns_t), and various changes people wanted to them. I
> generally argued for keeping them unchanged, but I think now I've come
> to a better understanding of the situation, and would like to suggest
> a different attitude.
> Here's the analogy which affected my thinking:
> One of Unix's great strengths is the simplicity and uniformity of its
> text files. They're a series of bytes, with lines terminated by
> single newline characters. Just about everyone reads them and writes
> them. Editors know how to edit them. Grep knows how to grep them.
> Perl knows how to commit unspeakable sins against humanity on them.
> If we had several different forms in widespread use --- fixed-length
> records, byte-count-delimited, and so on --- these things would be
> The editor interface was meant to be for tree transformations what
> unix files are to textual data --- the universal exchange format.
> That's why I've been arguing against the embellishments and
> specializations that are often proposed. But the fact is that people
> frequently want to do things that just don't fit into the existing
> form. The `ancestor_version' arguments were controversial --- they
> are relevant only to changes to trees with version numbers, not to
> tree changes in general. For DAV, Greg S. wants to be able to get and
> put properties on the working directory as we commit changes. So
> while we can say that the Unix file format is looking healthy after
> decades of technological change, the editor interface is already being
> stretched --- and we haven't even made our first release yet!
> So here's the thought. This is a major change from the position I've
> taken until now, so you can all snicker at me now. :)
> What's essential about the editor interface is the depth-first
> traversal rule, and how the batons work. Those are the properties
> that you really need. Once you've got batons that can carry
> information as you walk the tree, and you can make helpful assumptions
> about how that walk is going to behave, you can pretty much use or
> ignore any other function calls as you please.
> So, let's declare open season on adding new functions to the editor
> structure. We retain the essential rules about add_*, replace_*, and
> close_*. Those are the only functions that create new batons, or
> close batons. You still have to use them in a depth-first order. But
> you can add other functions that do whatever you like to the batons
> while you've got them. When I discussed this on the phone with the
> Chicagoans this morning, Karl said that he'd suggested moving the
> ancestor_revision argument to separate functions, to be applied to the
> appropriate batons when needed. Each editor will have to document
> which functions it supports and requires, and each driver will have to
> document which functions it calls.
> Of course, we still need to choose new functions carefully. The
> better our factoring, the more likely it is that we'll be able to
> randomly plug editors together in unusual ways.
> If we go with this approach, I'd suggest we change the way we handle
> svn_delta_edit_fns_t structures a bit.
> At the moment, every editor simply has a statically initialized
> svn_delta_edit_fns_t structure initialized with appropriate function
> pointers, like `tree_editor' in libsvn_wc/get_editor.c, or
> `trace_editor' in client/trace-commit.c. Every time we add a new
> function to svn_delta_edit_fns_t, we need to fix each of these
> declarations, even if it's just to add a null, or a dummy function.
> Instead, libsvn_delta should provide the following function:
> /* Allocate and return a new function table for the `dummy' editor ---
> one which ignores every function called on it. This editor uses
> the null pointer for all its batons. All function pointers are
> initialized to dummy functions. You needn't test whether a
> function pointer is non-zero before using it --- you can just call
> the function.
> Real editors should construct their own function tables by calling
> this function, and then installing pointers to their own functions
> for the editor operations they care about. This rule allows us to
> extent svn_delta_edit_fns_t with new functions without having to
> change the code for all the editors that don't care about the new
> Allocate the function table in POOL. */
> svn_delta_edit_fns_t *svn_delta_make_edit_fns (apr_pool_t *pool);
> I'm not dogmatic about the details here. The point is simply to allow
> source code for editors to be dependent only on the portions of
> svn_delta_edit_fns_t they actually use, so we won't hesitate to extend
> it as necessary. The same situation arose in GDB, with several dozen
> implementors of a large function table, and this solution has been
> working pretty well.
Received on Sat Oct 21 14:36:19 2006